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Team Rules for the 2021 AAFTA National FT Championships


Wayne Burns
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I wanted to give you all plenty of time to get your teams together for the AAFTA National Rifle Field Target Championships.

Teams need at least 4 competitors, but, 5 is allowed and one shooters, lowest PCP score will be dropped.

One team member has to shoot a piston class, and their score cannot be dropped from the total.

Teams are normally formed from a single club, but that hasn't been the case in lots of other Nationals, and we will pass on that this time too.  Sometimes Vendors will form a team, like Thomas has in the past.  A team of Thomas's is tough to beat, but they have to have a piston shooter too this time... if Mike forms a team again.

So, teams can be from any state or club and any PCP class, but one shooter has to be a Piston class competitor.... Let's see what you can come up with:-)

Teams have to be submitted by Sept 1st, so I can figure out the awards and stuff.

You might have 6 or 7 people available for your team, and you can change competitors up to the day before the match... so you can be sure to make a team if someone can't make it.

 

Did I forget anything?

Wayne

 


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Cameron K is with us in the SVFTC ... Lol, just sayin.

Team points are fun if all the members help carry the torch successfully.

I see us with a team w/o issue in 2021


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Wayne Burns
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Scott,

Yep, I expect to see a bidding war for the top piston shooters:-)  Have you really secured your full team? 🙂  Better start buying some beers for Cameron K.  Teams can be formed from different clubs or states:-)

 

Wayne


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Wayne Burns
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I've got the same problem/advantage.... Jacob has a new piston rig, and he's shooting lights out too.  Hope I can keep him on my team:-)

 

Wayne


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Scott,

Yep, I expect to see a bidding war for the top piston shooters:-)  Have you really secured your full team? 🙂  Better start buying some beers for Cameron K.  Teams can be formed from different clubs or states:-)

 

Wayne

Well ... we could make Cameron the team captain then he would be buying some of us beers to be on his team ... like that idea a bit better.

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Wayne Burns
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Scott,

This is my subversive way to increase the ranks of Piston shooters.  Shooting piston has got to be the hardest way to consistently knock down targets.... these folks really need all the support and praise they can get.

 

Wayne


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We have our 5 ..... Team is set !!!


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Wayne Burns
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Hey all, 

What do you think about including a pistol score in the total?  A team would have to have at least one member on the team that competes in the pistol event, and one score from the pistol match would be added to the 4 best rifle scores.

How does that sound to ya?

Wayne


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Wayne,

I think this is a great idea, both are actually.  Mandatory piston score and one pistol match score to make the fifth score...


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well on our established TEAM 3 of the 5 will likely be shooting Pistol FT ..... So yea I'm in for that, tho not sure of that format tho being 1 score to drop off for a 4 person aggregate total.

If this becomes a prerequisite to making a team ..... Piston score Stays and Pistol should as well with the dropped score being one of the remaining 3

 

OR .... We bring the scored team at 5 with a 6th allowed tho low score to be eliminated. ( again keeping the Piston and Pistol score intact within the counted 5 )

 

The Team shooting rifles as established MUST HAVE 1 person minimum shooting the Pistol match as well IMO to qualify. ( Likely a non issue, but stating such anyways )

 

This sets up PISTOL as a wild card for teams in that 1 member of the team MUST be shooting pistol ... ANY of those within a team & shooting pistol can claim the high pistol score shot for team points.

More in a team that shoot pistol better the odds of getting the highest score to be used in final scoring.  * this is if PISTON and PISTOL scores cannot be dropped.

 

I LIKE THAT !!!

 

Scott S


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Wayne Burns
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Scott S,

I was proposing that 4 out of 5 of the rifle scores would count and one of the rifle shooters pistol score would be added to the 4 best rifle scores.

One of the 4 counting rifle scores has to still be a piston score.  I'm pretty sure that's what JW was liking and what you would like as well.

So, confusingly, we all agree I believe:-)

Anyone else have ideas or comments?

Wayne


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The rub might be for some teams... that the rifle shooter with the best pistol score, might not be in the top four rifle scores, so a team like SacValley with 3 pistol scores would have a better chance to get a high score for pistol added to their total.

So, Teams, get your rifles shooters to shoot pistol too:-)

Wayne


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Wayne Burns
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To be clearer maybe, I'm proposing that the pistol score that's counted has to be from one of the four counting rifle shooters.

If none of the top four rifle shooters have a pistol score, then no pistol score will be added to the total.

The team may choose a competitors rifle score who might be the lowest rifle score, but did have a pistol score if that makes their teams total better.

 

How's that?

Wayne

 


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The AAFTA has Pistol competition as a legitimate Class X2     Pistol is hard ... damn hard.  As is the Piston class's difficulty.

Rather than address the pistol as a "Side Show" as it often is viewed .....Incorporate it into the TEAM requirements and help all to see Field target at the National level is a multi dimensional sport and not just Rifle disciplines, but that of Pistols too !

 

If EITHER was easy you would have more folks shooting both ..... Wish to also garner a National Team championship win ?  You had better be able to do BOTH.

 

IMO ...

 

Scott S


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Wayne Burns
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There ya go Scott,

That is the plan to set a model for future major events... FOR MORE involvement.... and grow all parts of the game.

Piston and pistols are also more affordable places to enter the game... 

Also with a whole lot less competitors in those classes, one has a lot higher chance of finding a spot in the winners circle!

But, if no reason (or requirement in this case) to get involved in those classes, then no reason to try them.

 

I'm so glad I tried pistol many years ago.  it took me the whole first year to even get to 50%, but then I found a good stable shooting position and it got a lot better.  Getting to the top of pistol, I think is tougher than even getting into the upper rifle competitors in any class.

Pistol & Piston are about 1/4 or less of the participation of rifle at most major events if those classes are held at all.. that needs to change... I hope:-)

 

PS. we will be working hard to get some prizes in addition to the regular awards for Teams and all Class winners... so stay tuned!

 

Wayne

 


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Wayne Burns
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I'd like to post the teams that plan on competing, so get me your lists as soon as you can.

Remember, you can list up to 6, or even 7 shooters, that you will pick 5 from right before the match.

you can post here or send by email

wayne@airgunoregon.com

Thanks,

Wayne


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Sacramento valley field target club ( AKA: SVFTC )

Scott Schneider  * Hunter PCP + Hunter pistol

John Bagakis  * Hunter PCP + Hunter pistol

Cameron Kerndt  * WFTF Piston + Open pistol

Son Lu  * WFTF PCP

Jim Whittlesey  * Open PCP

 

back up shooters pending ....


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Wayne Burns
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Team signed up:

From Puerto Rico:

Pedro Abreu Mendez - WFTF PCP- Thomas Air & Pistol Limited 

Waldemar Gordils Rios - WFTF PCP - Ataman FT - & Pistol Hunter

Manuel Morales - WFTF Piston - Air Arms TX 200 & Pistol Limited

Edwin Tuben - WFTF PCP - Styer LGT 110 & no Pistol

 

If you have formed your team, post it here..

 

Thanks

Wayne

 

 


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