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Alphabeast
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September 16, 2020 21:22:49  

Hey all,

I was looking into buying an air rifle. I was looking at these 3 - 

GAMO HPA Tactical Airgun
GAMO Varmint Swarm
GAMO Whisper X Spring Airgun

What do you make of Gamo? Are there any other brands/models I should consider?

Also, I am assuming .177 is for longer range, and .22 for shorter range. I am looking to shoot targets, and maybe the occasional pests. Budget of around £250.

Thanks

 


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bf1956
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September 16, 2020 21:43:20  

HW!


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Alphabeast
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September 16, 2020 23:20:54  

@bf1956 Which one? HW30? 


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September 17, 2020 04:28:54  

HW 30 is a 550-600 fps range rifle in .177, the HW 50 is a 750-800 fps range rifle in .177. Both quite good out of the box. I consider gamo to be disposable, ie., plastic breechblocks, etc. Spend more for quality and avoid the headaches of equipment made primarily to part you and your money.


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September 17, 2020 05:39:53  

@alphabeast

In your neck of the woods, Weihrauch HW99S. 


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September 17, 2020 08:34:18  

I just looked on line and London has several airgun shops.  But, it looks like the HW rifles are priced pretty high.  I would ask to look at used English and German made springers.  If you can find a used HW, Diana, or BSA springer in your budget I think you will be much happier in the long run than you would with a Gamo.

Gamo tends to use too big springs so they can advertise high velocities.  The problem is that the big springs make them more difficult to shoot accurately.  Also, the machining and general quality of the Gamo aiguns is lower than the recommended airguns.  Gamo is more concerned about looks and advertising than real shootability because looks and high velocities sells airguns.  A lot of Gamo airguns can be made into nice shooting airguns by shortening the spring or using a less powerful spring and by smoothing out the all the rough edges and smoothing out the trigger internals.

David Enoch


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September 17, 2020 09:10:57  

@alphabeast Go with CK,s response.


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Alphabeast
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September 17, 2020 09:42:25  

The reason I was leaning towards a Gamo was the 10 shot magazine. I am assuming with experience, reloading time can become quicker? 

HW99s sounds like a lovely piece, but is pricey for me at the moment, as I am someone who would want to buy the scope, bag and pellets to save myself some money. 

This is more a fun thing, but I do want it to be solid, and last a lifetime. So most likely will be with me for life.  

I may hold out for the HW99s,  but at the moment, am tempted with Gamo, more for the out of box kit gimmicks, but rather have something built to last 1, solid and is reliable. 

Thanks for all the responses so far. 

 


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Jim in SWMO
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September 17, 2020 09:57:19  

Agree with Citizen K. If you're in the UK, as it would appear from what you said your budget is, then the HW50S/99S would be the one I'd look for. The 50S/99S is a light carbine sized springer that has very good accuracy and plenty of power if needed for pesting. You can often find good used ones within your budget. And even a new one wouldn't be too much over your budget from someplace like Krale Sport. Check some of the UK forums like Airgun Forum UK. You'll find plenty of info on this wonderful little shooter.

Good luck with your search and your decision!


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September 17, 2020 10:22:04  

@alphabeast Trust me on this 1, hold out and save for a quality single shot springer. My first thoughts were HW 50!


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September 17, 2020 13:29:05  

What do you make of remington sabre or the crosman mk2?  


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Jim in SWMO
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September 17, 2020 13:58:32  

In all honesty, if you really want something that will last then fight the temptation to get something now and keep saving until you can afford something better. In the long run you'll be glad you did. I wish I had done that when I got back into airguns years ago. Would have saved myself a fair bit of money if I had. 😉 


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September 17, 2020 17:54:55  

You said beginner and target shooting. HW30 in .177. An accurate shooter out of the box, plus a rifle that will still be used in 30 years from now. They have  that good of a following. No sense in over powering while learning to shoot a Springer.

That's my 2 cents worth. Good luck with whatever you decide.


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Alphabeast
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September 17, 2020 20:45:09  

I am a beginner, but a quick learner. I am a photographer and think this will help too. Also, I have tried shooting at fairs, which was even though were quick sessions, I took to it like a 'baby to a candy'.

Although, I am slightly leaning towards the HW99s, I would prefer it in black. I saw that Beeman rifles are produced by Wiehrauch, so was wondering if this model was any good in comparison to the HW99s, Beeman RS2 Sporter?


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September 17, 2020 21:06:41  

Unfortunately, most of the current Beeman air rifles are made in China, including the RS2 which is a Chinese copy of the Spanish made Norica Marvic action. As far as I know, the only currently produced Beeman air rifles that are made by HW are the R7 (HW30S) and R9 (HW95 Luxus).

HW has been known to make the HW30S and 50S with a black stock and a "stainless" look action but from what I've read on the UK forums they seem very hard, if not impossible, to come by in the UK.


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Alphabeast
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September 17, 2020 21:35:09  

@jim-in-swmo How does one purchase a Beeman R9? Cannot seem to see anything on searches in the UK.

Edit - sorry, got confused haha - HW95 Luxus, that's looks cool. Am learning what's best, and it seems Weinrauch are the one of the top brands. I will probably hold out and save up for a better model.

Thank you all ❤️ 


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Jim in SWMO
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September 17, 2020 22:58:36  

Isn't it fun to have so many choices? Then again, maybe that should be frustrating, lol.

If you do decide on the 95 Luxus I would definitely suggest that you try to find one from a UK dealer so you can have it chronographed before purchase to make sure it's not over the legal power limit. Don't want to get things off to a bad start. 😉 

Other than that, for the purposes you stated in your original post, I'd recommend going with a .177 mainly because the pellets are cheaper and have a flatter trajectory making it a bit easier to shoot at longer distances than a .22. Especially at the sub-12ft/lb level.

Whatever you decide on, be sure to drop back in and let us know what you got and how you like it.

Have fun and stay safe!


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September 17, 2020 23:17:53  

I take it your are in the British Isles or thereabouts. If you haven't done so, check out the AirgunsBBS forum. They should be able to steer you to things available where you are.


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September 18, 2020 11:20:14  
Posted by: @josephm

HW 30 is a 550-600 fps range rifle in .177, the HW 50 is a 750-800 fps range rifle in .177. Both quite good out of the box. I consider gamo to be disposable, ie., plastic breechblocks, etc. Spend more for quality and avoid the headaches of equipment made primarily to part you and your money.

I agree with  Joseph. I  own both the hw30 and hw50. Both are great guns and you won't regret buying either one. If you're not using it for hunting squirrels and such but just targets and plinking I would say go with the hw30. It's lightweight,  5 1/2 lbs and only 39inches in length.  It's  quiet and you can shoot it all day without it stressing you in any way.


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September 18, 2020 14:26:40  

If you are on a budget try to at least find a Walther Terrus on sale or clearance for cheap. Still German made.


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September 18, 2020 15:39:38  

You should really check to see if there are any local airgun shops in your area; they may have a nice selection of the Weihrauch air rifles, new and used... plus a great selection of pellets to try... you may even be able to try them out to help you decide.

Stay away from the Gamo and Chinese stuff... go for quality... you'll need to spend more, but well worth it.

Definitely suggest staying with a quality spring piston air rifle in .177...

Love my R9/H95, R1/HW80, and R7/HW30?

 


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September 18, 2020 16:46:27  

I have several gamo’s and they’re shooting just as accurate as you could want. Only people who’d outshoot my cheapest gamo would probably be dedicated and possibly competitive shooters with the top guns. I highly doubt a normal guy could pick up an HW30 or especially R9 and my elite side by side and shoot better with either side of the table. Not sure how much better you want for 25 yards then a dime or quarter sized group from a Gamo Varmint, Hunter Elite, ACCU, CFR.  My CFR is more accurate then my old R9. I bet the ACCU is too but haven’t got to play with it much, I just bought it. I paid 80 dollars for the Elite and 75 dollars for the Varmint. Not sure how one could say that this is crap and you NEED to go run and buy an HW. If you’re just starting out you have tons of options. Eventually all long term airgunners wind up buying well made and aftermarket friendly guns but starting out you can not beat a gamo imo. Just don’t buy crap pellets. 


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September 18, 2020 17:23:32  

 

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Not sure what this “that will last” talk comes from. How long ago was the Hunter Series first released??? Here’s one with new internals that was shooting just fine even before tuning.  It’s my wife’s airgun, we bedazzled it a bit until we get her a new scope, still figuring out what works best for her.  Sure maybe their newer stuff might not be AS good but as long as you do your homework and know what your options are long term or aftermarket then there’s no issues. 


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JosephM
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September 19, 2020 11:42:44  

@two70windude   No one is saying that anyone else should rid themselves of what they own and are satisfied with. When someone new to the sport asks for an opinion as to what equipment to purchase, the answer is invariably "the best you can afford", and "it is best to save for better quality equipment than to compromise and risk disappointment". I would be doing anyone a disservice to recommend equipment I do not believe to be of very high quality. I picked up and fired my first airgun in 1968. My experience tells me that my answer to the question was correct. There are other quality rifles available as well, but the proof is in the pudding. HW is always in the top 2-3 brands, and out of the box, they almost always shoot well. This is important because most newcomers do not have the ability or will to refit a new rifle with aftermarket parts to improve performance and firing characteristics. No apologies for my recommendations.


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Jim in SWMO
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September 19, 2020 13:00:43  
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@two70windude   No one is saying that anyone else should rid themselves of what they own and are satisfied with. When someone new to the sport asks for an opinion as to what equipment to purchase, the answer is invariably "the best you can afford", and "it is best to save for better quality equipment than to compromise and risk disappointment". I would be doing anyone a disservice to recommend equipment I do not believe to be of very high quality. I picked up and fired my first airgun in 1968. My experience tells me that my answer to the question was correct. There are other quality rifles available as well, but the proof is in the pudding. HW is always in the top 2-3 brands, and out of the box, they almost always shoot well. This is important because most newcomers do not have the ability or will to refit a new rifle with aftermarket parts to improve performance and firing characteristics. No apologies for my recommendations.

 

Well said. And I totally agree.


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Jim in SWMO
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September 19, 2020 13:15:17  

@two70windude

Read thru the responses. The OP said: "I do want it to be solid, and last a lifetime". I'm sorry to say that my experience with today's plasticized Gamos doesn't fit that description. But I'm glad that you're happy with yours and I wish you well with them.


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September 19, 2020 15:42:32  

One thing about Gamo, at least here in the States. They will not sell you any parts aside from seals. I've had most brands of springers and the HW's are amongst the best finished of the lot. Plus they have a fine trigger in the Rekord. To get anywhere near close with a Gamo you must buy and install an aftermarket trigger. The older Gamo line comprised of the Shadow 1000/220/440 were by no means shoddy but not quite up to the level of a Diana 34 or HW. And there is also pride of ownership for those to whom that might be important. Essentially, if the OP is looking for less trouble out of the box and not having to bring the gun up to speed with a tune kit and trigger, the bit more expensive guns have that in their favor. And a good used Diana or HW can often be had near the price of a new, cheaper gun.

 


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September 19, 2020 16:09:15  

Heck, it doesn't hurt to have something "cheap" to start with... and hopefully fall in love with airgunning, to make you want something better.

Hopefully, you might be satisfied with the accuracy you get with the original open sights too... then you buy something better, and want a scope... pretty sure we all went through that.

My first air rifle was a Beeman FX-2 import from Spain (made by Norica) in 1989 to shoot squirrels off my bird feeder... it did that pretty well with the open sights... I also got a Beeman Precision Airgun Guide from the local firearms dealer that I bought the air rifle from... WOW! Airgun porn magazine for sure !

I started saving up for the my next "affordable" air rifle, which was a .177 Beeman Webley Eclipse (made in England)... it was a big improvement, both power-wise and accuracy... saved up for a scope... it became a tack driver for me.

Then I bought a used .20 HW77K from an estate sale.... WOW ! My new favorite air rifle !

We all know how that journey goes !

I do miss the old Beeman days... they suck now... don't even think they have a website that works.


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Alphabeast
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September 19, 2020 16:52:27  

Hey guys! So many responses! Love the responses and passion!

I have decided to 'save up' and purchase the 'HW97KT Blackline', .22 (personal preference for the .220. Also, it seems a solid gun and has good reviews, here and across the web. i want to get the the scope/silencer in one go if possible. i will get the bag/pellets whilst I am waiting...

Any recommendations on scopes for the HW97KT? The next thing on my list to research! It seems my budget has gone up, but do want this to be a long-term, one-off purchase. Who knows, I may even be tempted by the HK98 in the near future, especially if I can get my father onboard 😉 

Thank you all ❤️ 


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Alphabeast
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September 19, 2020 16:59:59  

@josephm "most newcomers do not have the ability or will to refit a new rifle with aftermarket parts to improve performance and firing characteristics."

Agree with this; now I have realised how much a 'decent' gun is, I now know what my budget ideally needs to be. I am the kind of person that likes to buy something at the top spec if possible, without blowing the budget too much. I rather spend £500 than £300, and have something that is reliable, long-lasting and does what I need. 

As you say, some newcomers don't have the ability, so this is another factor too, to try and get a decent spec gun first time off, although I see this as a long-term hobby once I get my gun.

P.s. I always a pellet since a child, and now in my late 30s, this is my time to get one, a nice piece of kit 😉


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