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sonnysan
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January 12, 2020 13:23:13  

Just unearthed this gun after a dig.  Pristine condition.  Bought in the early 2000s.  As the "new" owner, I have never shot it.  Have never seen another custom shop R-1 on the web or for sale.  Basically this is the big brother of the FWB124 Queen Bee.  I installed the MAC-1 screw cups and rear replacement plate.  Looks like I was prepping for a muzzlebrake install.  Unbelievable beauty at Beemans height. 

 

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Jim Bentley
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January 12, 2020 13:34:52  

Looks like it's got a JM trigger guard too.

Beautiful gun!!


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Kingfisher
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January 12, 2020 14:46:05  

Sonny.....absolutely gorgeous!   I saw one on GB last year with a "stainless " action. Seller wanted over 2500!!!  I wonder what it would cost to build that today?

JC


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ekmeister
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January 12, 2020 14:56:27  
Posted by: @sonnysan

Just unearthed this gun after a dig.  Pristine condition.  Bought in the early 2000s.  As the "new" owner, I have never shot it.  Have never seen another custom shop R-1 on the web or for sale.  Basically this is the big brother of the FWB124 Queen Bee.  I installed the MAC-1 screw cups and rear replacement plate.  Looks like I was prepping for a muzzlebrake install.  Unbelievable beauty at Beemans height. 

Sure, another nice gun from Beeman's first official business address (or close to it) to show us and make us envious.

Forget that. You've obviously got too much money to spend. Can you loan me some? 😉

P. S. Don't put up with that spring twang and a factory spring. Tune it, tune it, tune it!! (BTW, you sing those 3 words, like from the Rawhide TV series theme, "Rollin' - rollin' - rollin'.").

Triple box it and double insure it if you ship it to somebody else to get the work done.


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oldair
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January 12, 2020 17:34:12  

Here's another:

thumbnail Goudy R1

Don R.


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Jim Bentley
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January 12, 2020 17:40:47  

Are you bringing that to Findlay for me don 🙂


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oldair
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January 13, 2020 02:24:23  

JB, it's the only one I've ever found so I think it'll stay here!

Don R.


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Beeman22
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January 13, 2020 10:52:03  

Now THAT is what I'm talking about.  Let's call it "Springer heyday porn." Personally, I'd prefer to it in .22 or maybe .20, but this will do, to say the least.  

For the record, I will take it when you're ready to get rid of a few guns!


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Bill S.
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January 13, 2020 18:28:10  

Very nice specimen. I'm partial to guns that look like guns with wood and blued steel. I have a standard San Rafael R1 wearing a period correct Beeman 66R scope. It's also in .177 and has JM internals. I'd like to find a .22 barrel for it some day but it's still fun to shoot even if a little hot in that caliber. Heavy pellets are the way to go.


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hkshooter
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January 19, 2020 12:27:13  

Sonny, that's a beauty, thanks for posting! The R1 is my all time favorite airgun and this one represents a time and quality that's disappeared today. Your's deserves a special place on the wall among others. 


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sonnysan
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January 20, 2020 13:01:40  

The Beeman custom shop pushed the boundaries of their product line.  I'd say venom was the pinnacle of the "shop" creations.  However, another airgunner by the name of Jerry Dubin made full race guns out of the R-1 platform.  I have a few specimens that are truly incredible.  Will post when they are unearthed.      


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Hooligan
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January 20, 2020 13:49:23  

Sonnysan,

You're killing me, really killing me!!

Love your taste in air rifles, your posts always peeks my interest. Keep unearthing them there beauties.


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RedFeather
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January 21, 2020 15:27:59  

About twenty years ago, I cruised into a local gun shop looking for .22's. On the rack I spied some finely figured Circassian walnut. Oh, boy! thinks I. Then discovered it wasn't a rimfire but an R1 in .177. Air rifle? Best check it out some. I was on my lunch break so returned to work where I looked up Beeman and sent them an email. Could it be a custom? Doc Beeman replied it sounded like it, would I send a picture? Of course, by the time I returned it was gone, along with what I now know was an Air Rifle Headquarters (WVA) FWB124 with the signature shrink wrap on the barrel and a Blueribbon scope. Both priced rather cheap. Why didn't I buy it right off? Well, I had recently read an article by one of the better-known airgun Ex-Spurts that the R1 in .177 was waaaay over-strung. (Didn't know about heavy pellets back then.) The gun did have a goodish scratch through the 22 lpi wrist checkering. I asked the shop where the heck they had come from, airgins not being their usual fare? A lawyer was selling them, along with firearms, for an incarcerated client. The shyster had arrived in a big white Cadillac in which he had just piled the high dollar guns jiggly-piggly into the trunk. Aw, well. Maybe next time.


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Mike Ellingsworth
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January 21, 2020 23:36:00  
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Had to log in  for this!!

That is beautiful 

Iam happy for you 


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Mike Ellingsworth
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January 21, 2020 23:39:20  

@oldair

Yep  It sure is, another beautiful rifle  wow.

Mike E


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chardosmith
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January 23, 2020 13:31:21  

Sonny, thanks for sharing.  You have a wonderful collection of exotic airguns.  Appreciate the images.

Don, your's is also most impressive.  


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ekmeister
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January 23, 2020 14:30:17  

@oldair

The thumbnail of your photo has the name 'Goudy' on it. I seem to remember he was at least one of the custom stock makers for Beeman, if not the primary one. My references and searches tell me his first name was 'Gary'.

I still remember the day I called the old Beeman, And asked to talk to Don Walker. Before the conversation could even get started, the very-first words out of his mouth were, "Our stock maker died". He was noticeably upset.

The man's name would have meant nothing to me at the time. I just didn't recognize him as the invaluable and well-known source and resource he was to gun stock making back then. I was doing a whole lot more shooting and tinkering than I was doing reading.

Was Goudy the one who came up with the stock design that covered the front of the breech-block on some of Beeman's better air rifles, especially the Weirauch-made ones, like the R1 and R10 deluxe? I know the stocks that came straight out of Germany were much more utilitarian. Knowing that Robert Beeman liked to keep his hands and opinions in the mix, it strikes me that some of the designs might have been a joint venture.

The only thing that might have connected regarding that name to me, if Don would have said it, would have been the name of the famous sports broadcaster, Curt Gowdy. But, I don't remember that he mentioned a name at all. And, it's obviously a different spelling and thus probably a different family lineage. However, I still find it an interesting bit of happenstance that they were both so-connected to the sports world, each in their own unique way.

By the way, if Gary Goudy is still alive, my apologies. But a reference on Robert Beeman's personal site calls him the 'late Gary Goudy'. So, I think he passed away.


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Beeman22
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January 24, 2020 01:06:27  

Ed,

Gary Goudy was indeed the stockmaker who designed the R1's original stock, as well as the R10 and I think the R8 as well. If not, it's certainly inspired by the R1 stock.  As I recall, Doc Beeman wanted something more "American" than the stocks Weihrauch used and wanted the breech block covered.  Gary delivered. I think those are some of the best looking factory stocks ever put on an air rifle.  Looking at my Dad's 1981 first-year production R1, even with numerous "character marks" all over the place (from yours truly), it has gorgeous lines and a nice warm glow that blows modern beech stocks out of the water. 

All that said, I would consider selling my soul for Sonny's R1. That's a helluva piece of lumber.  Or Don's. They don't make 'em like that anymore, that's for sure!


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ekmeister
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January 24, 2020 04:08:49  

@beeman22

Thanks for clarifying all that. 

As far as my personal preference in wood and finishes, although the glassy-smooth ones still have a certain amount of appeal for me, some of that has changed over the years.  I think maybe my favorite is some moderately-open grained walnut that hasn't had all of the pores completely 'leveled'.  In other words, I kind of like the way the pores look and feel if its not too-extreme.  As to the feel part, it provides a bit more of a sure, non-slip grip.  I think that even beech can be nice when the grain can be felt, a little, as well as seen.  To me, some of the ultra smooth finishes almost look like plastic.

That said, I wouldn't want to see everything look and feel the same.  I think a nice collection might consist of at least one specimen of each type of wood, finish, and grain feel.  You know, if money didn't matter.


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bf1956
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January 29, 2020 21:24:31  

Didn't know Kimber made air rifles, sweet!


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pilkguns
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February 5, 2020 20:12:52  

Sonnysan, we talked some years ago.    I have the Queen Bee as I think you know.   I would love to have this rifle as well if you wanted to sell.     Heck I even trade some new Steyr rifles if you were interested. 

Scott


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March 28, 2020 08:16:24  
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This magazine has been on a cross country journey gathering signatures of everyone involved with the Queen Bee, including me who has owned it for the last 15 years or so. In Order of involvement or ownership
1. Robert Beeman
2. Gary Goudy , stockmaker
3. Toshika Beeman
4. Patricia Collins
5. Tom Gaylord
6. Patricia Collins
7. Scott Pilkington


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kdhope
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March 28, 2020 12:44:33  

@pilkguns Thanks for posting that,kelly

 


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sd5782
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March 29, 2020 12:53:42  

I posted about my love of the "Goudy designed" stocks several years ago. I didn't see the thread in the search. I have nearly all the guns with that style of stock, hence my posting then. At the time of that posting in April 2017, I was contacted by a stockmaker/checkerer from Washington state who actually talked to Mr Goudy in his later years, and wrote me a nice email as he has seen much misinformation. I didn't think it appropriate to reprint it, but I can relate several of his thoughts. Nothing is verified by me, and I don't personally know the correspondent, but I have no reason to disbelieve what he said as he took the time to write it.

 

Mr Goudy acknowledged designing the original R1 stock and two custom rifles for Mr Beeman and his wife, and perhaps a third one. The important part is that the Goudy stocks were classic style with a straight comb, and no white spacers. This source says the original designs were similar to the MK1 Laser that he said is shown in the #16 Beeman catalog. That design is what the R1 was supposed to look like, and covering the breech block was also part of it.

 

Here is the interesting part: the design went to Germany, and HW changed it. They changed the butt to a Monte Carlo instead of a straight stock.They also may have added the white spacers. The letter writer didn't mention it, but I assume the Monte Carlo comb was added, as that also is not a feature of a straight classic American stock. I think something like a CZ452 American rimfire is akin to the original Goudy design. 

 

The writer also states that Dr Beeman was mad about the HW changes, but it was already in the works. It seems that the HW guns we attribute to Goudy had his design as a starting point. Goudy was mostly a custom firearm stock maker of the classic style. Also mentioned was several other stock makers involved in the custom shop guns.

 

As I said, this was older info that came to me, so I can't verify it. Personally my "Goudy" stocks started with my beloved R8, and now I have many others. I quite admire this design however it came about.

 


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March 29, 2020 16:27:07  

nice...very nice...


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ekmeister
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March 29, 2020 19:11:56  

As pretty as some of these stocks in the photos are, I find that I have a personal preference for stocks with at least a slightly-elevated Monte Carlo cheek piece. I find they give me a better alignment of my eye and a scope, and allow me to shoot in more of a heads-up position.

It might not be as big of an issue for others. I'm fairly tall, and I have a long neck.

Just to be clear, though, I'm not questioning just how gorgeous these stocks are. And, for others who aren't as tall, or who prefer to use open sights, a straight comb on a stock might be the perfect fit.


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Wadcutter
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April 9, 2020 21:14:02  

Drop dead gorgeous!!

This post reminded me I had a FWB 124 Sport rifle in the cabinet I would like identified. Not near as nice but similar stock as the one called "Queen Bee" minus the checkering and grip cap. It is Beeman branded including on the recoil pad. The recoil spacer is not white plastic it appears to be aluminum. Scope was added later, it came with the original open sights. I know nothing of rifles origin other than it was from an estate sale later sold at auction. 

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Any information would be appreciated.

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