I've owed a scoped .25-caliber Hatsan 125 springer for a few years.
The big Hatsan has served me well.
LITERALLY ... Pulled the Trigger on New .25 Caliber H125 Sniper with Black Stock
However, I have been thinking about purchasing a .25-caliber, gas-ram, breakbarrel for use with open-sights or peep-sights.
A moderated .25-caliber Hatsan 135 Vortex QE has come-to mind.
Why? Because the breakbarrel air rifle I was originally considering is no-longer readily available in springer version.
But, I have a lot of concerns.
The most immediate is how long will a VORTEX gas-ram maintain a functional charge?
I fear keeping a gas-ram air rifle in long-term storage in-between use may result in significant leak-down.
Necessitating replacement of the gas-ram after less than expected usage.
Question is: How long should I expect a VORTEX gas-ram to maintain good performance with little use and frequent storage for weeks/months before I should expect to replace the gas-ram.
My last resort would be to remove the optic from my old 125 and install it on a new .22-caliber 125 springer - they're still available.
@felinis Of course ... I wouldn't keep any airgun cocked while in storage.
My question refers to how long should I expect a Vortex gas-ram to remain serviceable with infrequent usage in-between weeks/months of storage.
You want a 135 springer, just convert it yourself. Here's the parts schematic and a did a snip of the parts/numbers you email Hatsan and ask about getting.
Rams can be hit or miss. Some fail before you manage to shoot a tin, others last years and no rhyme or reason to it. Takes a bit but the rams can be rebuilt, I've done a couple. Easier if Hatsan has the parts to just rebuild it as a springer and should be less expensive than a replacement ram unless you like tinkering and want to rebuild it yourself.
@stevep-52 About converting a gas-ram to a springer.
I like that idea ... seems like a practical alternative.
Ya know anyone that has successfully performed this procedure on a Hatsan?
Maybe what I need to do ... find a tuner that will do this for me.
Found this interesting thread.
Addressed a lot of my questions.
@stevep-52 About converting a gas-ram to a springer.
I like that idea ... seems like a practical alternative.
Ya know anyone that has successfully performed this procedure on a Hatsan?Maybe what I need to do ... find a tuner that will do this for me.
Quite a few who decided the spring version is cheaper and easier to tune up than the rammed version.
The end cap for the spring version is a hair different than the end cap for the rammed version, so you only need the end cap for the spring version, the spring and the spring guide. Those from Hatsan should be cheaper than the $45+ they want for a new gas ram.
Tuners? Honestly can't say, but you might be better off going slow and doing it yourself for what it would likely cost you to ship the rifle both ways plus the labor and most who play with them do everything themselves at home. Plenty of Youtube videos about it and a gentleman by the name of Mike Ellingsworth is one name to look for. I think? he uses the name @mike_ellingsworth on here but not absolutely sure.
Plenty of Youtube videos about it and a gentleman by the name of Mike Ellingsworth is one name to look for. I think? he uses the name @mike_ellingsworth on here but not absolutely sure.@stevep-52 About converting a gas-ram to a springer.
I like that idea ... seems like a practical alternative.
Ya know anyone that has successfully performed this procedure on a Hatsan?Maybe what I need to do ... find a tuner that will do this for me.
Funny you should mention Mike Ellingsworth … he was the fella that initially checked-out/adjusted/tuned my original .25-caliber, Hatsan 125 Sniper.
Maybe, I need to get intouch with him again.
Anyway, DIY is not on my agenda.
Don’t have the free-time, tools or workspace.
Day will come I want to myself. I have a Turk built Webley Tomahawk .22 I bought from a member of another forum with the idea of having him do a barrel swap to make it a .20 caliber. Probably should get a ballpark on what that's going to set me back if he's willing so I know how much the add to the gun fund...lol.
Just received the auto notice.
Converting to a springer is not cheap either. hatsan end plug if they have one available its hit and miss with them would probably be10.00 and 10. for shipping
A after market upgrade spring from vortek with 12.00 shipping cost and his handling fees was around 31.00 I bet its a little more now
Then your not going to want to use the factory spring guide probably another 8.00 rather you would want the Custom Delrin spring guide & top hat I make.
With shipping to and from I like using pirate ship.com saves you a good bit so you can see this keeps growing depending on what else you want for your gun I have my own Piston seals they work for the gun and not just make the gun work and I have to install it.
I am currently doing just that for a 135 and also re barreling it to .25 LW barrel. I just had a go around with LW company after they refused to check the pellet to bore fit on the barrel I ordered and they charged me 35.00 shipping, they used to check the pellet to bore fit for me but now that the top dog found out they became a bit indignant / shipping used to be 24.00 it should be here Tuesday and I may have to return it if I dont get enough usable barrel out of it.
I rebuild those Hatsan vortek gas rams properly and Have not have any issues to date, but to buy another vorteck ram is not going to change the factory issue.
You can email me when you decided a plan to go with.
Mike ELLingsworth
Yes you can drop me a email or message me.
I am not very happy with LW company currently you can read what I mentioned to Martinez above, they have the .20 cal barrels and I would have to go thru them.
I did two Turkish tomahawks in .20 cal one was with a O ring piston cap which I dont intend to do any more. I also have custom piston seal for that gun which is my own custom seal
I know the gentleman that bought your o-ringed version and he's been past happy with it. In my case, I have neither the tooling, let alone skills to get the factory barrel out and the new one machined and pressed in and that's all I'm after, a .20 cal barrel in place of the .22.
I'm not even remotely a pro at things, but I can tweak the rest easily enough.
Well fellas, I’ve decided on the Hatsan 130S .30-caliber.
And, have contacted Mike_Ellingsworth to provide a cost estimate to convert two 130s to springers.
One 130 will be dedicated for open-sight use.
And, the second 130 will have an illuminated, low-power, bow-sight mounted.
I waiting for Mike to let me know how feasible my request is in-terms of cost and how practical it would be to perform the modification.
Well, I decided to "pull the trigger" on two .30-caliber Hatsan 130S.
Mike has received the rifles and has examined them.
One will be returned for an exchange because the bore is too-oversized.
How oversized you ask ... a JSB 44.75 gr pellet would freely drop-through the barrel.
Anyway, I'm gonna start a thread on my two rifles while they're being tuned by Mike.
Here’s the link to the new thread.
I have had some experiences with this issue of the vortex ram failing on my Dominator ..17 cal.
It was one of my favorite and most accurate rifles. Well, Hatsan said they didn't have a kit to turn my gun to a metal spring version. Lol! Anyways after laughing at them I got mad enough to tear her down and take apart the vortex and replace the o rings that were defective. It worked and I didn't have to buy a new vortex ram of off Hatsan for $50.00 and shipping too!
The thing that I really would like to convey is my opinion o how to keep the vortex rams from prematurely failing, and possibly lasting as long as the rifle doe indefinitely.
The most problematic o rings in the ram are the 2 that are in the front of the unit that seal the chrome plated rod , which is the only moving part of the ram, moves in and out of the unit twice for every time you shoot the gun. I believe that if you keep these 2 o rings lubricated with 100% pure silicone oil , which will also condition the rubber rings , will keep the vortex ram from failing.
I also have to disagree with J.C. from Airgun Detectives (Who I really like and enjoy His reviews), about buying a refurb , ram or spring verion gun, from Hatsan for the reason being that they are all tested and inspected with a data sheet of all the specs. and performance of each gun prior to being shipped. Now that's a service you have to pay for from other distributors.
I hope this info may help whoever owns a ram powered gun, also whoever is thinking of ordering a ram gun.
