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Sent one out for a tune months ago, having a heck of a time getting it back. I am at a loss for words.



   
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Posted by: @teleamp

Sent one out for a tune months ago, having a heck of a time getting it back. I am at a loss for words.

You may not be alone there without being somewhat more specific ? 



   
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Jim_in_SWMO
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Don't write it off. Pursue it. It's your gun and you sent it to the tuner with all expectations that it would be tuned and returned to you in good condition.

Has there been any communication with the tuner? If there has, what did they say was the problem in not sending it back to you when you asked for it to be returned? If there has been no communication from the tuner then you might have to get the local law enforcement involved.



   
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@jim-in-swmo

 

Tuner is a good guy going through difficult times. I understand his situation.

 

I am to pick up when done... It is taking much longer then I anticipated. He does excellent work and I don't know how to motivate him. At the same time, I am not getting any younger and would like to be shooting. i guess I will start saving and buy a backup if it drags out that long.

If he has given up, I would at least like my parts back... I use to have a TX200 that I made shoot pretty sweet, I can get it back together.

 

My hope is that he will read these post and get on with it.



   
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@teleamp

Wouldn't matter to me how good the tuner is, loss of motivation is no reason to keep a customer dangling for what, almost 6 months?! If he can't finish the job he agreed to in a timely fashion then he should own up to it and return the gun and any payment already received.



   
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Might want to turn down the heat on that tar and put away the feathers. Let's not go to extremes. People do have legitimate stuff come up. I'd go with Jim's advice. Or at least call him and get a reasonable estimate on when the work will be completed. If too long, then ask for it to be returned. That may be the best route as you never know if his issue becomes more serious and it's out of his hands.



   
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@redfeather

 

Definitely not dragging the tuner under the mud. I have been in his shoes indifferent circumstances. I guess it's my turn in the barrel, it just, well... 



   

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It might be worth even offing to have it shipped collect of send a shipping label to get your gun back.  I would rather be out $50 than out $500.

It is my experience from reading the forums for a long time that usually when guns don't come back it is because the tuner has spent any up front payment to pay current expenses and he doesn't have the money to buy the parts he needs to tune your rifle.  When life happens sometimes we don't make the best decisions.  There is one tuner that will just go silent when parts are not available instead of keeping his customers informed.

David Enoch



   
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@davidenoch

 

 

Not the problem here David. It's a motivational issue... I'm motivated, the tuner is not, makes for a bad situation for me. I'm just venting. Anyway, I have sent him an email requesting that he send the gun/parts back to me or at least let me pick it/them up. I am hoping he is working on it and will email me soon. The daily updates never materialized.



   
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@teleamp

Motivations constantly revolve for most of us. I think David's words may just carry a bunch more weight than credited..Though doubt exists, I'd give nod to the benefit here. He's been around and active on the forum far longer than myself. I first posted here 16 years ago but stopped following for ten years.

I kind of feel some sense of responsibility here as I may have misguided you in the beginning.

Unless a guy really has a messed up gun that requires machining, I see no reason to go through all the hassle of shipping, paying and waiting. There is an overwhelming amount of information on the web to get great results by purchasing your own parts and DIY. Just requires research and weeding out bad information which isn't difficult. The correct solutions researched will always show up in more search results than the wrong info. OR, you could do what I do and ask the knowledgeable folks right here on this forum as I (you) go along with your project. Just ask ? 

I hope this gets resolved for you soon!



   
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@straitflite

 

In retrospect, the gun really only needed a breech seal. Oh well...



   
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I would keep contacting as often as you feel necessary. And my "tar and feathers" comment was directed elsewhere. The least this tuner can do is return your gun. He's holding forth as an advertised tuner. It is in his best I interest to do so. Unless he's incapacitated, his good reputation is in the line here.



   
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@redfeather

I feel he will do right... I am not a patient person. 



   
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@teleamp   I am in the same boat, getting older and the weather is getting nice. I just want to be done with this project.



   

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I'm in same boat too. Sent my rifle in December. Tuner got Covid and had lots of customers because of Covid. I'm trying to be patient cause I know and like the tuner from Field Target. I guess I must be patient BUT still he could update me via e-mail without me contacting him. Truely frustrating.

My worst experience was 17 months from Randy Brimrose in California. Job was done poorly too.



   
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Breech seal??? Unobtanium? Are we talking about the same part here? I could install a synthetic one in 30 seconds. I could fashoin a leather one in 5 min. There are folks who are good at what they do and folks who are good at business. Celebrate those who are good at both I guess.



   
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@tripleguy

 

Breech seal to shoot, rebuild/tune so it won't break... Lots of wear in the tear down pics...

 

 

Pay to get it done?... I'm not a doctor, and I don't have a scalpel...



   
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Oh and, tuner found some motivation... Hopefully I will have R7 back real soon...



   
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Posted by: @teleamp

Oh and, tuner found some motivation... Hopefully I will have R7 back real soon...

Now that's good to hear! I hope it gets back to you soon.

 



   
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this is got to be the strangest thread i have read in a long time 

it must be in code and i lost my code book 



   
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@marflow

What is so hard to understand?



   

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I'm in same boat too. Sent my rifle in December. Tuner got Covid and had lots of customers because of Covid. I'm trying to be patient cause I know and like the tuner from Field Target. I guess I must be patient BUT still he could update me via e-mail without me contacting him. Truely frustrating.

My worst experience was 17 months from Randy Brimrose in California. Job was done poorly too.

I don't feel so bad now... Sorry for your pains...



   
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Sorry about your situation. If he's the tuner I think he is I for one want to thank him for all the valuable information he has shared and posted here. I learned so much from him. Seems to be a fine gentleman from reading his posts. Apparently he is having an issue in his life. Health or otherwise. I want to wish him well and offer prayers for him. And for you as well. ? Keep looking up. I hope I've been encouraging.



   
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I am going to call this thread "solved"... Thanks guys...



   
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@teleamp

Glad you feel that way.

But please do let us know how it turns out when it's all said and done and you get your R7 back. ? 



   
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@kwk

 

He is a wealth of great knowledge. The work he does is a labor of love, some guys whip it out, this guy sweats the small stuff. It is an honor, IMHO, that he has worked on my gun. Even though it dragged out and came to this. Now that I see some others in similar situations I consider myself fortunate. 

 

I will update this thread once R7 is back in my hands... It's now in his court...



   
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Posted by: @teleamp

I am going to call this thread "solved"... Thanks guys...

Still nothing about taxes!



   
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whatching



   

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Subscribed



   
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0504211652e HDR


   
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What are we looking at? Is this the gun in preparation for tuning? 



   
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Will if that don't be some out loud insightful thinking,and the conclusion drawn was to ? "Let It Be",words of wisdom Let It Be.



   
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Well, it was to return home this week... Communication with the tuner has gone cold again. I just sent an email stating that I would like to pick it up on the 10th...



   
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Posted by: @redfeather

What are we looking at?

A computer or phone screen.

Posted by: @boscoebrea

Well if that don't be some out loud insightful thinking,and the conclusion drawn was to ?

Imagine my embarrassment at having marked this "Solved" prematurely!

 

 

On topic... that's an interesting array of stuff on the table.

Was that short section of spring removed from the total length? IMHO... wow that's a lot! (not questioning anyone's judgement)



   
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Thought it was solved. Waiting for a reply from the tuner... More to come, get your popcorn and sodas...



   

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Posted by: @teleamp

Thought it was solved. Waiting for a reply from the tuner... More to come, get your popcorn and sodas... ? ?

  FTFY!



   
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@gratewhitehuntr

 

Love pizza and beer...



   
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He's nobody without a name, and the thread holds no water from either side. 

 



   
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@limbshaker

 

I'm just abiding by forum rules. The dude is a excellent tuner but, I think he has burned out... in the middle of my tune. I have ordered another Weihrauch. We'll see which one I get first.

 

But, I will try motorhead next time. FWIW, PW is only rebuilding 124's.



   
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@gratewhitehuntr

 

I think the tuner has some special springs and cuts them and fits them.



   
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Posted by: @limbshaker

He's nobody without a name, and the thread holds no water from either side. 

 

Here is a hint...

Go watch some of these videos, see if you can figure out WHO I'm mocking.

https://www.youtube.com/c/MishacoOBA/videos

 

Posted by: @teleamp

@gratewhitehuntr

I think the tuner has some special springs and cuts them and fits them.

Springs are pretty simple to order, if you can spec what you want.



   
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@teleamp

Anybody that wants one can order one of those springs. It's basically just a matter of whether you're comfortable in your ability to cut one down (if needed) and close up and square up the cut end.

https://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/4452198.htm

And just to toss another name into the tuner hat, John in PA is well respected for his springer work. There are members here and on other forums who have had him tune a gun for them and are quite happy with his work.



   
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I've stayed out of this one, but I've been watching it. No one will name the tuner in the mix, so I thought I would bring up an experience I had with one of them. Might be the guy, might not, but I stand behind my earlier posts.

https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/a-professional-spring-gun-tune-kinda-long/#post-41704

 



   
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Posted by: @jiminpgh

I've stayed out of this one, but I've been watching it. No one will name the tuner in the mix, so I thought I would 

Be a sneaky bastid? ? 

https://airgunwarriors.com/community/activity/ekmeister/

Hmm... https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/san-rafael-r7-getting-tlc-from-ekmeister/#post-44561

This is why I don't watch mystery movies.

6 mins in I know who done it, spend the next 5 mins determining if there will be tits, if not, I'm out.

The only tits here... is the ones who ain't already solved the puzzle.



   
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Reassuring post, thanks Jim... I am the most impatient person you will ever meet. A little reassuring goes a long way. I am looking forward to shooting my tuned R7.



   
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@gratewhitehuntr

 I thought tits were not safe for work... wait...

tits

 



   
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Well after Jim's post I am going to call this one solved a be a little more patient...



   
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Posted by: @teleamp

@gratewhitehuntr

 I thought tits were not safe for work... wait...

tits

 

Those are TEETS, you boob!

I'm not even gonna touch NSFW... just no. Where is the line? I can't tell!

https://i.imgur.com/iRKJhcL.png

 



   
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Thank you 

The problem with beating around the bush threads like this, is without knowing who we are referring to, ANY tuner could be perceived as THE GUY. 

And that's not really fair to the "good guys". 

Just say it, get it out in the air, and get it handled. 

To the OP, I hope you get your gun and love it. They are nice shooters. 



   

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@limbshaker

 

I refrain from naming tuner because I don't want to slam the guy. And, it would probably violate forum rules.



   
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You said you want to pick it up on the 10th? Is he fairly close? If so, why not just go over and knock on his door? Or will you happen to be in his neck of the woods on that day, like during a business trip? 



   
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Posted by: @limbshaker

And that's not really fair to the "good guys". 

Just say it, get it out in the air, and get it handled. 

Fair in one hand, shit in the other.

There is an implication in your statement, and I'm not judging, but once a line is drawn, there are sides.

 

No one was comfortable calling ED out, because most of us who take on a lot of work will, at some point, become overloaded.

I've been there for the last couple months, overloaded between my own work, plus others.

Then, I had my first kidney stone. I'll ? be ? on the floor ? for the next 2 weeks, ? if ya'll ? need me! ? 

 

Backlogs stress people out, which sometimes leads to dysfunctional behavior.

If someone here can thrive on deadlines and backlogs, PLEASE explain how.

Seriously.

Deadlines OK, but backlogs....

https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/395337229?profile=original



   
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To some it is a labor of love, I feel fortunate to have have found some like that for this gun. I am very impatient, I should not have started this thread but, I did. I apologize to anybody that might have taken offense to any replies to this thread...

 

Got an email from the tuner last night, he was buttoning up the gun and will be test shooting it today. Hopefully, I will get a tracking number tonight...



   
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@teleamp

 

It should have never came to this. A person taking money to do work owes it to their customers to be timely!!

The best in any field have backlogs and they are up front with their customers. Paul Watts used to put people on a list and when their name came up, he would notify them to send the gun. 



   
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Be nice to hear from the tuner, as well

 



   
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