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Mike_Ellingsworth
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looks like a cool lightweight rifle 870 FPS in .177 under 8 lbs / little over 40"long / barrel is little over 15" and the stock looks nice  not super skinny like that  460

https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/diana-430l.html#all_specifications

Mike E

 

 


   
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I am interested in the 430 as well. In particular comparisons with the benchmark HW77/ 97. It's as expensive as the 97, and to merit that it had better be seriously good. 

I like the slim stock-- the chunk of the 54 wasn't pleasing-- but I will be concerned about the trigger. I haven't used a TO6 trigger, but the TO1 I had, while being quite good, wasn't as good as a Rekord and had a bit of a second stage roll. May be the new trigger is comparable to Rekord. 

 


   
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I believe it has  the TO6 from what I found on the net but what Iam also seeing the  430 L  with no  open sights, yet this one  has open sites as seen  here

https://www.airgunsource.ca/en/diana-diana-430l-22-cal.html

this  one below Diana 430 has  the open sites so it could be miss identification 

http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-3307-6357.html


   
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marflow
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if you go to Diana there German site, they don't show that model any more just the 98 and 460, so it might be gone before you know it

it might be a nice medium power rifle did it ever get to the states or was it Europe market only rifle


   
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Mike_Ellingsworth
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I just bought  one  from Krale  and  the total  with shipping came  to 430.61  LOL / pretty   Ironic "

google search  pulls  up pyramyd air / airgun depot / as no longer available but shows the picture & info.

 some others that show its a in stock for 100.00 more not including shipping.

I  dont think this will be as accurate as a Hw 97K or 77 K but from what I saw the accuracy is there. and it looks  like it will be a fun  gun with decent mid size  power, I checked and its stronger  than a Hw 50 @ 840 fps  and the 430  @ 870


   
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That's excellent! Now you can review the 430 in detail. Many of us will really appreciate an in-depth review.


   
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I saw one for sale on the classifieds a month or so ago, but at the time the wampum was lacking.  I'm personally intrigued by this gun, having owned an older HW77 many years ago.  I wonder if the only difference between the 430 and the 460 is the spring.  Or does the 430 have a completely different powerplant?  I've always been a big fan of the earlier narrow-tube Dianas.  I used to own a narrow-tube Diana 28, which was just a joy to shoot.  One of my shooting buddies liked it so much he went on a search for another 28.  What he found was a large-tube 28, basically a shortened and de-sprung 34 action.  It was a really nice gun, but just not as sweet as the narrow-tube version.

Kinda long-winded, I know, but if the 430 is simply a slightly less sprung version of the 460, then maybe we can all have one of these (seemingly) discontinued sweethearts be simply tuning down a 460.


   
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The  460  is 5" longer  and its  barrel is almost 18-1/2" power wise she dishing  out 1200 fps in .177 according to airgun depots specs I  betting the 430 is a different power plant but we will have to see  to confirm of  course, I read this used to  have a option  with a stutzen stock /  but  I  personally dont care for the looks of the stutzen stock, its  nice  looking  just not my cup  of tea

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diana 430 stutzen air rifle 20 (1)

   
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Jim_in_SWMO
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Congrats on the 430, Mike.  If you haven't come across it yet there's some good info on the DWC about the 430. Some of which is that it has a shorter stroke than the 460, due to it's shorter receiver tube, but apparently uses the same piston and seal as the 460.

Here's the results of a DWC search for "430". Should give you plenty to look thru while you wait for yours to come.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thedianawerkcollective/search.php?keywords=430&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=184474&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search


   
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Mike_Ellingsworth
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Thanks Jim.

I have read  the  cocking was hard and bothered  the shooters  hand  prior  to buying it, but I figure I deal with it and if it was  true see about cutting  the spring some  I guess it depends  if someone got a non fac  or fac  spring  in thiers  

I am liking this gun , I was  ready  to buy a couple different rifles but wanted  something  I had not had before and the 430 popped up  on Krales  site  and was taged sale  item

Interesting it has  same tube but  with lessor  stroke as the 460.


   
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I don't have any firsthand info on the Diana under levers, but seem to remember reading that the 300, 46, and 430 were somewhat similar to the model 34 bore and stroke which would be around 87-89mm with the 28mm bore. Also not positive, but I think I read that the 460 has the long stroke of the Diana 350. 

Indeed, when holding a 460 it is obviously a LONG receiver. I always have thought a 46 would be interesting, and the 430 would surely also be. I also wouldn't be so quick to say that the HW guns would be more accurate either. The biggest hinderence to accuracy may be that most Dianas seem to be sprung quite stiffly to get max velocity.


   
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Definitely a over sprung gun would affect everything. I read that  some 430  were  hurting  some  shooters hand from  the cocking being  hard, If  that's  the case  then I'll cut the spring some.

I am wondering  if  this is a all germany made or has  china  have a hand  in it


   
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marflow
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the Diana 430 Stutzen has been around since 2011 of before, so the China influence might not at all been in the making of the rifle

but it seems the 430 is going to be gone as stocks diminish

most of the videos are in German and being a 12fpe rifle it was a more then like designed for the European market

the reviews I have found and read are very favorable and most say it is not pellet fussy and easy to shoot


   
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Sure sounds very hopeful,  when you mentioned this rifle may soon be out of stock  in the earlier  reply, 

I was thinking the same  and I  grabbed it / UPS says it should be here wednesday  ,  I think  the stock will look even better  in person

 


   
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Looks like you ordered it at the right time, Mike. The link in your original post doesn't show the 430 anymore. It says the page no longer exists or may be moved. I don't see the 430 listed in the Diana section anymore and a search for it doesn't turn it up either. Be interesting to see if they get anymore or if that was it. Either way, you had good timing on getting your order in!


   
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Mike_Ellingsworth
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 I  bet that was the last one, there's  more out there if  you google search, some in the US  but cost more .

they probably have limited stock  / I seriously  think this  gun is going to  be so enjoyable, even if I have  to  detune a tad, I am wondering  if  this  guns over sprung, as another response  to this post  mention  the diana's tend to be over sprung


   
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marflow
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now if you find this rifle is a great little gun, there will be some kicking themselves in the rear because they didn't get one, it happened when the CZ Slavia  634 sold for the 100.00 to 115.00 price and they all disappeared and now not even made under that name and number but still made but not oofered here in the states

so give it good test before you tear it apart, because that is your nature, there was one thing I read about a pin in the cocking linkage the might be a weak point but for you that will be child's play if so

good to see you posting Mike

take care

mike


   
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Mike, I had good luck with the Diana guns with using HW .122" wire springs in them. The shot cycle seemed nicer than just cutting down the stock .128" spring a couple coils. On a couple the HW springs were even a nice fit on the stock Diana guide, although the guide had to be shortened a bit to make room for a top hat.


   
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Interesting thread!

And a good example of how too much information can be gathered from the internet that is not completely true.

Here is a scan of the catalog that was released at IWA this year:

 

So, what you will get is a shorter length "460" with a longer barrel that can house a longer cocking lever for reduced cocking force.

The original 430 required as much cocking force as a 350 magnum, and people don't like a magnum level cocking force to get 12 ft-lbs out of it.

It will never have the capacity/swept volume to reach high energy levels, but it is a good shooting gun. As many knowledgeable shooters already know, 12 ft-lbs is a nice power level at which you get a good trajectory, with controllability and shootability.

Also, because we are borrowing the 470 style muzzle piece, the lever is held in place by two ball detentes that put pressure on the lever SIDEWAYS, which is the position that least affects the POI.

If you REALLY want a ZERO stress lever holding system it will be easy to remove the spring loaded balls and insert a powerful magnet into the muzzle piece.

The stock was derived from the 34 Premium and it is one of the most comfortable stocks to carry all day, or to shoot under stress. I know because with one of the 0.20" cal. Premium 34k's I have placed 2nd for two years in a row in the Pyramyd Air Cup Gunslynger that is a speed shooting Silhouette competition that is extremely punishing to both, guns and shooters.

It will be available later in the year through AoA at a good price. But if you are in a hurry, then by all means call Krale, they are a serious and solid company.

If there are any more doubts, just let me know.

HTH

 

 

HM

 

 


   
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marflow
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OK so some history on the 430 model

it appears the 430 first showed up as in the Stutzen stock and I saw a post about it dated 2011 and then it came in the model 34 style stock when ???? and was still available in the Stutzen stock till ????

so has the original 430 in the 34 stock been changed or what

Diana's German site do not show any 430 in there underlever section, which would lead one to believe they are not making them and if they are to start with a new offering why don't they have a coming attraction section

so is the Diana's German site incomplete or is the old printed material just old

I can only assume things when facts are missing in some sort of printed material

so you are in the know fill in the blanks if you can

thank you

https://www.diana-airguns.de/ab/products/unterspannhebel/


   
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It's not even the same in their 2018 catalogue, on that page the 430L is replaced by the 460 Magnum. But that's usual for the Diana website which has been abysmal for years now.

Recent "review" in German with CC.


   
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Posted by: sd5782

Mike, I had good luck with the Diana guns with using HW .122" wire springs in them. The shot cycle seemed nicer than just cutting down the stock .128" spring a couple coils. On a couple the HW springs were even a nice fit on the stock Diana guide, although the guide had to be shortened a bit to make room for a top hat.

Thanks I will make a note on  that spring info


   
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Interesting thread!

And a good example of how too much information can be gathered from the internet that is not completely true.

Here is a scan of the catalog that was released at IWA this year:

 

So, what you will get is a shorter length "460" with a longer barrel that can house a longer cocking lever for reduced cocking force.

The original 430 required as much cocking force as a 350 magnum, and people don't like a magnum level cocking force to get 12 ft-lbs out of it.

It will never have the capacity/swept volume to reach high energy levels, but it is a good shooting gun. As many knowledgeable shooters already know, 12 ft-lbs is a nice power level at which you get a good trajectory, with controllability and shootability.

Also, because we are borrowing the 470 style muzzle piece, the lever is held in place by two ball detentes that put pressure on the lever SIDEWAYS, which is the position that least affects the POI.

If you REALLY want a ZERO stress lever holding system it will be easy to remove the spring loaded balls and insert a powerful magnet into the muzzle piece.

The stock was derived from the 34 Premium and it is one of the most comfortable stocks to carry all day, or to shoot under stress. I know because with one of the 0.20" cal. Premium 34k's I have placed 2nd for two years in a row in the Pyramyd Air Cup Gunslynger that is a speed shooting Silhouette competition that is extremely punishing to both, guns and shooters.

It will be available later in the year through AoA at a good price. But if you are in a hurry, then by all means call Krale, they are a serious and solid company.

If there are any more doubts, just let me know.

HTH

 

 

HM

 

 

I thought  that stock looked like  the 34 premium ,  I had  one briefly  and I really like that premium  34 stock.  Yeah  I read that issue with the cocking  pin also.. good  Ideal with  the magnets 

what rifle  will be available  thru AOA later ? / weird they have hand breaks  or open sights, mines coming  this week it has the open sites


   
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Posted by: marflow

now if you find this rifle is a great little gun, there will be some kicking themselves in the rear because they didn't get one, it happened when the CZ Slavia  634 sold for the 100.00 to 115.00 price and they all disappeared and now not even made under that name and number but still made but not oofered here in the states

so give it good test before you tear it apart, because that is your nature, there was one thing I read about a pin in the cocking linkage the might be a weak point but for you that will be child's play if so

good to see you posting Mike

take care

mike

I been  to busy  to post lately, also to busy to tear the new gun down LOL but your  rite eventually they all get  that treatment

 there's  some diana  430  states side  I saw  on the net when I googled it,  but  for  more money then what Krale sold it for

 

I have one of  those Slavia  rifles somewhere  in the box  it's the wood stock  it was missing a spring I think , sold as is  new old stock Ill get to that one day 


   
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Posted by: Mike Ellingsworth

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I am wondering  if  this is a all germany made or has  china  have a hand  in it

Some of the newer model PCP and CO2 stuff is China derived (Artemis). Since about 2016 or so most of the staple models are assembled in Germany from parts manufactured by Gabinvest of Bulgaria (and perhaps one two other sources).

Gabinvest Ltd. is a subsidiary of Blaser Group GmbH in Isni, Germany. Together with Blaser, Sauer & Sohn, Mauser and SIG SAUER, it is part of L & O Holding, based in Emsteden, Germany.

The company manufactures and processes components for hunting weapons, airguns and precision sports guns in a premium segment.

 


   
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Apart from the American fixation about variations and models, it bears to know that the 430 was a model that was NOT designed to be brought to America.

It was designed to tackle the UK market by the old management at Rastatt. So, it was a "short 460" that should have had good results, except for the fact that it was based off the 46 dimensions.

The Stutzen was the only model, that AFAIK, made it to the US in any number greater than a handful. And it demonstrated that the dimensioning off the 46 had been a mistake because people loved the handling and the accuracy, but hated the cocking effort.

I used one of mine to shoot an FT match and it was exhausting.

So, from the original dimensioning of the barrel and the cocking lever, the model did not have the success it was expected and so the plant decided to put together a "hybrid". Using the 430 mechanisms tube with the 470 muzzle piece and cocking lever (about 1½"longer), the plant was able to reduce the cocking effort to more manageable levels. Do note that I mention the "plant" not the "engineering" group.

From a few tests, it was decided to put it in offer and it was shown at IWA 2018 (read my report:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/not-another-iwa-report  

And see the picture that clearly shows the 430L WITHOUT open sights (top gun on the 13th photo).

At IWA, AoA decided to place an order an that is what is being executed right now. What is in the catalog and pictures I posted.

There MAY have been other orders for 430 L's with slightly different characteristics. If you place a large enough order you can get whatever you want made. And it does not necessarily means that it HAS to get into the cyberspace/catalogs/printed word. In DIANA's case, the manufacturing is more agile than the website developers/printers and I cannot have too much problem with that.

As the world globalizes, DIANA will make use of any and all resources within the L&O group to bring to market worthwhile airguns that fill a specific niche in the airgunning world. And part of the definition of a niche is cost.

We will always be clear about what comes from where. It will be printed in the box, as it is now.

The main thing is that DIANA will stand behind its products.

Keep us posted about what you receive because your statement about it having open sights is intriguing.

 

 

 

HM

 

 


   
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Mike, where art thou? Looking forward to your D430 review!

Pedro in PR


   
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Did Mike ever get to test his 430L?

Anybody else get one and test it yet?

Thanks

Ray


   
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Yes Hector Medina did a great review of this gun on his blog @ Connecticut Custom Airguns. 


   
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