looks like a cool lightweight rifle 870 FPS in .177 under 8 lbs / little over 40"long / barrel is little over 15" and the stock looks nice not super skinny like that 460
https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en/diana-430l.html#all_specifications
Mike E
I am interested in the 430 as well. In particular comparisons with the benchmark HW77/ 97. It's as expensive as the 97, and to merit that it had better be seriously good.
I like the slim stock-- the chunk of the 54 wasn't pleasing-- but I will be concerned about the trigger. I haven't used a TO6 trigger, but the TO1 I had, while being quite good, wasn't as good as a Rekord and had a bit of a second stage roll. May be the new trigger is comparable to Rekord.
I believe it has the TO6 from what I found on the net but what Iam also seeing the 430 L with no open sights, yet this one has open sites as seen here
https://www.airgunsource.ca/en/diana-diana-430l-22-cal.html
this one below Diana 430 has the open sites so it could be miss identification
I just bought one from Krale and the total with shipping came to 430.61 LOL / pretty Ironic "
google search pulls up pyramyd air / airgun depot / as no longer available but shows the picture & info.
some others that show its a in stock for 100.00 more not including shipping.
I dont think this will be as accurate as a Hw 97K or 77 K but from what I saw the accuracy is there. and it looks like it will be a fun gun with decent mid size power, I checked and its stronger than a Hw 50 @ 840 fps and the 430 @ 870
I saw one for sale on the classifieds a month or so ago, but at the time the wampum was lacking. I'm personally intrigued by this gun, having owned an older HW77 many years ago. I wonder if the only difference between the 430 and the 460 is the spring. Or does the 430 have a completely different powerplant? I've always been a big fan of the earlier narrow-tube Dianas. I used to own a narrow-tube Diana 28, which was just a joy to shoot. One of my shooting buddies liked it so much he went on a search for another 28. What he found was a large-tube 28, basically a shortened and de-sprung 34 action. It was a really nice gun, but just not as sweet as the narrow-tube version.
Kinda long-winded, I know, but if the 430 is simply a slightly less sprung version of the 460, then maybe we can all have one of these (seemingly) discontinued sweethearts be simply tuning down a 460.
The 460 is 5" longer and its barrel is almost 18-1/2" power wise she dishing out 1200 fps in .177 according to airgun depots specs I betting the 430 is a different power plant but we will have to see to confirm of course, I read this used to have a option with a stutzen stock / but I personally dont care for the looks of the stutzen stock, its nice looking just not my cup of tea
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Congrats on the 430, Mike. If you haven't come across it yet there's some good info on the DWC about the 430. Some of which is that it has a shorter stroke than the 460, due to it's shorter receiver tube, but apparently uses the same piston and seal as the 460.
Here's the results of a DWC search for "430". Should give you plenty to look thru while you wait for yours to come.
Thanks Jim.
I have read the cocking was hard and bothered the shooters hand prior to buying it, but I figure I deal with it and if it was true see about cutting the spring some I guess it depends if someone got a non fac or fac spring in thiers
I am liking this gun , I was ready to buy a couple different rifles but wanted something I had not had before and the 430 popped up on Krales site and was taged sale item
Interesting it has same tube but with lessor stroke as the 460.
I don't have any firsthand info on the Diana under levers, but seem to remember reading that the 300, 46, and 430 were somewhat similar to the model 34 bore and stroke which would be around 87-89mm with the 28mm bore. Also not positive, but I think I read that the 460 has the long stroke of the Diana 350.
Indeed, when holding a 460 it is obviously a LONG receiver. I always have thought a 46 would be interesting, and the 430 would surely also be. I also wouldn't be so quick to say that the HW guns would be more accurate either. The biggest hinderence to accuracy may be that most Dianas seem to be sprung quite stiffly to get max velocity.
Definitely a over sprung gun would affect everything. I read that some 430 were hurting some shooters hand from the cocking being hard, If that's the case then I'll cut the spring some.
I am wondering if this is a all germany made or has china have a hand in it
the Diana 430 Stutzen has been around since 2011 of before, so the China influence might not at all been in the making of the rifle
but it seems the 430 is going to be gone as stocks diminish
most of the videos are in German and being a 12fpe rifle it was a more then like designed for the European market
the reviews I have found and read are very favorable and most say it is not pellet fussy and easy to shoot
Looks like you ordered it at the right time, Mike. The link in your original post doesn't show the 430 anymore. It says the page no longer exists or may be moved. I don't see the 430 listed in the Diana section anymore and a search for it doesn't turn it up either. Be interesting to see if they get anymore or if that was it. Either way, you had good timing on getting your order in!
I bet that was the last one, there's more out there if you google search, some in the US but cost more .
they probably have limited stock / I seriously think this gun is going to be so enjoyable, even if I have to detune a tad, I am wondering if this guns over sprung, as another response to this post mention the diana's tend to be over sprung
now if you find this rifle is a great little gun, there will be some kicking themselves in the rear because they didn't get one, it happened when the CZ Slavia 634 sold for the 100.00 to 115.00 price and they all disappeared and now not even made under that name and number but still made but not oofered here in the states
so give it good test before you tear it apart, because that is your nature, there was one thing I read about a pin in the cocking linkage the might be a weak point but for you that will be child's play if so
good to see you posting Mike
take care
mike
Mike, I had good luck with the Diana guns with using HW .122" wire springs in them. The shot cycle seemed nicer than just cutting down the stock .128" spring a couple coils. On a couple the HW springs were even a nice fit on the stock Diana guide, although the guide had to be shortened a bit to make room for a top hat.
Interesting thread!
And a good example of how too much information can be gathered from the internet that is not completely true.
Here is a scan of the catalog that was released at IWA this year:
So, what you will get is a shorter length "460" with a longer barrel that can house a longer cocking lever for reduced cocking force.
The original 430 required as much cocking force as a 350 magnum, and people don't like a magnum level cocking force to get 12 ft-lbs out of it.
It will never have the capacity/swept volume to reach high energy levels, but it is a good shooting gun. As many knowledgeable shooters already know, 12 ft-lbs is a nice power level at which you get a good trajectory, with controllability and shootability.
Also, because we are borrowing the 470 style muzzle piece, the lever is held in place by two ball detentes that put pressure on the lever SIDEWAYS, which is the position that least affects the POI.
If you REALLY want a ZERO stress lever holding system it will be easy to remove the spring loaded balls and insert a powerful magnet into the muzzle piece.
The stock was derived from the 34 Premium and it is one of the most comfortable stocks to carry all day, or to shoot under stress. I know because with one of the 0.20" cal. Premium 34k's I have placed 2nd for two years in a row in the Pyramyd Air Cup Gunslynger that is a speed shooting Silhouette competition that is extremely punishing to both, guns and shooters.
It will be available later in the year through AoA at a good price. But if you are in a hurry, then by all means call Krale, they are a serious and solid company.
If there are any more doubts, just let me know.
HTH
HM
OK so some history on the 430 model
it appears the 430 first showed up as in the Stutzen stock and I saw a post about it dated 2011 and then it came in the model 34 style stock when ???? and was still available in the Stutzen stock till ????
so has the original 430 in the 34 stock been changed or what
Diana's German site do not show any 430 in there underlever section, which would lead one to believe they are not making them and if they are to start with a new offering why don't they have a coming attraction section
so is the Diana's German site incomplete or is the old printed material just old
I can only assume things when facts are missing in some sort of printed material
so you are in the know fill in the blanks if you can
thank you
It's not even the same in their 2018 catalogue, on that page the 430L is replaced by the 460 Magnum. But that's usual for the Diana website which has been abysmal for years now.
Recent "review" in German with CC.
Mike, I had good luck with the Diana guns with using HW .122" wire springs in them. The shot cycle seemed nicer than just cutting down the stock .128" spring a couple coils. On a couple the HW springs were even a nice fit on the stock Diana guide, although the guide had to be shortened a bit to make room for a top hat.
Thanks I will make a note on that spring info
Interesting thread!
And a good example of how too much information can be gathered from the internet that is not completely true.
Here is a scan of the catalog that was released at IWA this year:
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So, what you will get is a shorter length "460" with a longer barrel that can house a longer cocking lever for reduced cocking force.
The original 430 required as much cocking force as a 350 magnum, and people don't like a magnum level cocking force to get 12 ft-lbs out of it.
It will never have the capacity/swept volume to reach high energy levels, but it is a good shooting gun. As many knowledgeable shooters already know, 12 ft-lbs is a nice power level at which you get a good trajectory, with controllability and shootability.
Also, because we are borrowing the 470 style muzzle piece, the lever is held in place by two ball detentes that put pressure on the lever SIDEWAYS, which is the position that least affects the POI.
If you REALLY want a ZERO stress lever holding system it will be easy to remove the spring loaded balls and insert a powerful magnet into the muzzle piece.
The stock was derived from the 34 Premium and it is one of the most comfortable stocks to carry all day, or to shoot under stress. I know because with one of the 0.20" cal. Premium 34k's I have placed 2nd for two years in a row in the Pyramyd Air Cup Gunslynger that is a speed shooting Silhouette competition that is extremely punishing to both, guns and shooters.
It will be available later in the year through AoA at a good price. But if you are in a hurry, then by all means call Krale, they are a serious and solid company.
If there are any more doubts, just let me know.
HTH
HM
I thought that stock looked like the 34 premium , I had one briefly and I really like that premium 34 stock. Yeah I read that issue with the cocking pin also.. good Ideal with the magnets
what rifle will be available thru AOA later ? / weird they have hand breaks or open sights, mines coming this week it has the open sites
now if you find this rifle is a great little gun, there will be some kicking themselves in the rear because they didn't get one, it happened when the CZ Slavia 634 sold for the 100.00 to 115.00 price and they all disappeared and now not even made under that name and number but still made but not oofered here in the states
so give it good test before you tear it apart, because that is your nature, there was one thing I read about a pin in the cocking linkage the might be a weak point but for you that will be child's play if so
good to see you posting Mike
take care
mike
I been to busy to post lately, also to busy to tear the new gun down LOL but your rite eventually they all get that treatment
there's some diana 430 states side I saw on the net when I googled it, but for more money then what Krale sold it for
I have one of those Slavia rifles somewhere in the box it's the wood stock it was missing a spring I think , sold as is new old stock Ill get to that one day
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I am wondering if this is a all germany made or has china have a hand in it
Some of the newer model PCP and CO2 stuff is China derived (Artemis). Since about 2016 or so most of the staple models are assembled in Germany from parts manufactured by Gabinvest of Bulgaria (and perhaps one two other sources).
Gabinvest Ltd. is a subsidiary of Blaser Group GmbH in Isni, Germany. Together with Blaser, Sauer & Sohn, Mauser and SIG SAUER, it is part of L & O Holding, based in Emsteden, Germany.
The company manufactures and processes components for hunting weapons, airguns and precision sports guns in a premium segment.
Apart from the American fixation about variations and models, it bears to know that the 430 was a model that was NOT designed to be brought to America.
It was designed to tackle the UK market by the old management at Rastatt. So, it was a "short 460" that should have had good results, except for the fact that it was based off the 46 dimensions.
The Stutzen was the only model, that AFAIK, made it to the US in any number greater than a handful. And it demonstrated that the dimensioning off the 46 had been a mistake because people loved the handling and the accuracy, but hated the cocking effort.
I used one of mine to shoot an FT match and it was exhausting.
So, from the original dimensioning of the barrel and the cocking lever, the model did not have the success it was expected and so the plant decided to put together a "hybrid". Using the 430 mechanisms tube with the 470 muzzle piece and cocking lever (about 1½"longer), the plant was able to reduce the cocking effort to more manageable levels. Do note that I mention the "plant" not the "engineering" group.
From a few tests, it was decided to put it in offer and it was shown at IWA 2018 (read my report:
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/not-another-iwa-report
And see the picture that clearly shows the 430L WITHOUT open sights (top gun on the 13th photo).
At IWA, AoA decided to place an order an that is what is being executed right now. What is in the catalog and pictures I posted.
There MAY have been other orders for 430 L's with slightly different characteristics. If you place a large enough order you can get whatever you want made. And it does not necessarily means that it HAS to get into the cyberspace/catalogs/printed word. In DIANA's case, the manufacturing is more agile than the website developers/printers and I cannot have too much problem with that.
As the world globalizes, DIANA will make use of any and all resources within the L&O group to bring to market worthwhile airguns that fill a specific niche in the airgunning world. And part of the definition of a niche is cost.
We will always be clear about what comes from where. It will be printed in the box, as it is now.
The main thing is that DIANA will stand behind its products.
Keep us posted about what you receive because your statement about it having open sights is intriguing.
HM