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Skip_in_WV
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I haven't shot my Panther in 18 months. When I put a scope on it this evening the soft touch coating on the stock feels sticky. What, if anything, can I put on it to make it not feel sticky?


   
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marflow
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not knowing want the finish is, I would try some mild soap,  like dish soap and a soft cloth and do a test area

so is this a spray on factory finish and if so what is the base material

it could have turned bad over time in it's environment and would have to be removed, anything that goes over it, as in paint will just fail

I think your options are few I'm sorry to say

again I have no idea what you have just working from a logical point of view


   
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Skip_in_WV
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It is a factory finish over wood. I dont know what it is either.


   
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marflow
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well if it will not wash off with soap and water, then it has failed. a email to Daystate would be in order

have you ever put anything on, like cleaners, solvents and even if you did they should never put a surface on the stock that isn't durable

was it in a case if so here is a post but the answers are varied

https://www.shootersforum.com/rifles-rifle-cartridges/86589-sticky-stock-help.html

or could it be like this

 

https://www.classaction.org/blog/browning-arms-company-sued-over-sticky-dura-touch-firearm-coating

here is a whole Google page on the Dura touch finish but there too much for me to read and if your problem is anything like this it sounds like a stock refinish it in your future

keep us posted but on my end it is just a guess  

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS644US645&source=hp&ei=tthWW4qnD5Lt9AP7g7mQDA&q=how+to+fix+a+sticky+dura+touch+finish&oq=how+to+fix+a+sticky+dura+touch+finish&gs_l=psy-ab.12...1836.29419.0.30904.47.44.3.0.0.0.188.4443.31j13.44.0..3..0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.41.3998...0j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i22i30k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.0.DYLUZrk3T6c

after looking at some You Tube videos maybe plain old rubber alcohol but I'm guessing what ever the problem is, anything you do will be a temporary fix, again Daystate know about this problem so I go back to my first notion email them

soap and water will not work if alcohol will, it's a crappy deal

take care

mike


   
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Skip_in_WV
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Here is Daystate's answer.

I assume you are referring to the soft touch rubberised finish? If so, likely a hydrocarbon or petroleum based fluid, cleaner or vapour has impregnated the finish. Unfortunatley there is no means to rectify once contaminated other than strip off coating and have refinished or tactile sprayed/dipped. 


   
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pistolero
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I always thought it was an asinine proposition to coat wooden stocks to try to make them look synthetic. The good news is apparently there is REAL WOOD under that synthetic crap. Bad news is it will take a lot of elbow-grease to liberate it.  


   
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David_Enoch
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Shake corn starch or baby powder on it.  Brush the excess off.  I had a Bushnell range finder on which the rubber coating got sticky.  I found the baby powder recommendation and tried it and it worked for me.

David Enoch


   
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Skip_in_WV
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I agree. Why not just make it all synthetic. I think the baby power (talcum powder if I can find it) should work. I tried GoJo, Mr Clean, lightly sanding with wornout 320 grit sandpaper. No joy. The sandpaper was ineffective. All the soaps and alcohol made it worse. Thanks for all the suggestions.


   
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marflow
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the little I read was people found that DEET I guess bug repellant would remover it on there Browning rifles

I thought about the corn starch and then thought about the mess it could make and baby powder might leave a baby powder smell

in any case it is broken the finish that is and you can't hurt it any more so, acetone, lacquer thinner, paint remover, dynamite, hell I don't know


   
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Posted by: pistolero

I always thought it was an asinine proposition to coat wooden stocks to try to make them look synthetic. The good news is apparently there is REAL WOOD under that synthetic crap. Bad news is it will take a lot of elbow-grease to liberate it.  

Hey Ron, its kinda like puttin' ketchup on a hot-dog. Just ain't right. DS makes such nice stocks why they'd opt for this is kinda lame imho.


   
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@pistolero, There is wood under that demonic coating that's a bitch to remove.  And the wood has a pale cheap look and it's of so bad quality that it's almost impossible to stain, ask me how I know!  Purchased my Panther in .177 after 2 yrs use from a fellow that had purchased it new for FT and barely used it as it was a bit heavy for him. The airgun was practically new.  After about 2 more yrs of use with me, the finish started getting sticky, ugly and just plain uncomfortable to the touch.  Contacted Daystate and after several e-mails got message from a fellow by the name of Simon something or other telling me the problem was probably a result of extreme use, chemical cleaning agents and/or exposure to the tropical condition of my environment (Puerto Rico), go figure that one out!  BTW, the only thing used to clean the stock was a moist rag.  Anyhow, said the heck with it and used a few different solvents and removers to take the finish off and got tired doing it, it's tough to remove.  Gave it to a friend who has a sandblasting devise and he used extra fine sand to remove the g@$#*&^! coating.  A good job of sanding and off it went to be hydro-dip.  And now look at the results, beautiful, looks better than new.  Every time I take it the the range and to FT tournaments it gets admiring looks and comments from all.  A friend has a tactical BSA R10 with the tactical stock, same thing.  Another has a Cometa Lynx Tactical, same thing.  Gentlemen, heed my advise & stay away from those bedliner coatings over wood, with time and use they all degrade and turn sticky and ugly......AVOID THEM!  

When almost new............

Daystate Panther Mk4

 The "new & better" look...........

Daystate Panther Mk4 Carbon Fiber Stock Wrap
Daystate Panther Mk4 Carbon Fiber Stock Wrap
Daystate Panther Mk4 Carbon Fiber Stock Wrap

 

 


   
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@prfleetsvs 

Any idea where this type of coating can be done in the UK?

My panther was stored for last 11 months in a gun bag on its own with a V90 rust prevention sachet as it has been for years, although it used to get taken out much more frequently.

Took it out today and it’s gone all sticky; so sticky in fact that the sheep skin lining of the bag has stuck to it.

IPA has got rid of the worst of the stickiness but it looks horrid and shows up prints whenever touched.


   
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(@donc)
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Shellac is the perfect sealer. Wipe first with alcohol. It will work. It dries hard. If you don't like it for any reason, alcohol will wipe it off. 

If a house has fire damage on the drywall, shellac will seal in soot and odor on all surfaces that need to be painted. It sticks to anything except wax. 

 


   
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Citizen_K
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@flytrap1315 

There seems to be dozens of places that can do it in your neck of the woods. Just two quickly from Google...

https://vitalhydrographic.co.uk/portfolio/gun-stocks/daystate-mk3-air-rifle-stock-hydro-dipped-in-dark-carbon/

https://kentcustomdipping.co.uk/guns/


   
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(@prfleetsvs)
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Don't waste your time, go and have it Hydrodipped by a trustworthy outfit.  If they're good at it you'll have a superb looking airgun in your hand.  BTW, that surface stands up to continued usage, have had mine for about a year and countless events and it looks as stunning as ever. 


   
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I have the same problem of the leaching rubber stock. I cleaned mine with Dawn Powerwash and scotch-brite. I'm not quite done but making good progress. See photos. The moisture from the Dawn caused the wood to swell and you can see cracks have formed in the finish. I can live with that as long as it doesn't get any worse. I think Daystate is trying to blame the gun owners to deflect any responsibility away from their poor decision to use this particular coating. Shame on you Daystate!!

Daystate Panther MK4 | Stock finish removal
Daystate Panther MK4 | Stock finish removal
Daystate Panther MK4 | Stock finish removal
Daystate Panther MK4 | Stock finish removal

 


   
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Bill_Day
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Maine
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@skip_in_wv Skip, The same thing happened to my AirWolf Tactical and discovered it was quite common. It took about 8 years of ownership before it got the stickies. I started removing it with paint stripper which is a very tedious job. Then I sanded it all down my hand with two different grit paper. Then I shipped it down to Grimm's hydrographics in Charlotte, NC for a new camo coat. It came back very nice in a couple weeks. Cost 145.00 plus tax and shipping. 

Regards, Bill


   
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