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bf1956
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September 6, 2020 16:02:50  

Posting some pics of rust and how to go about restoring it. Stock is already finished, barrel rust I am thinking carbon fibre tube to hide it. Comp tube I'm thinking bead blast & Parkerizing. What do think? please chime in.

 

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marflow
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September 6, 2020 21:46:00  

so what would i do 

bronze wool would be my first choice and some cold blue 

the why is i'm lazy 

does cold blue work yes and no, it needs heat, i like 175 degrees in the oven but some sort of heat and i use white cotton gloves 

product Brownell's T-4 touch up cream, oh i have at least a half a dozen brands 

even mix several together, they are a little different 

so why should you do it, why not, your idea is just a cover up any way 

the rifle will never be in it's factory state 

make it look the best you can and shoot the damn thing 

and don't blue the compression tube 


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Limbshaker
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September 7, 2020 08:09:30  

Id shoot it and enjoy it.

That gun ain't hurt. 

 


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Derrick
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September 7, 2020 08:27:55  

A carbon fiber tube on a classic gun like this looks like two opposite worlds colliding.  I'd oil it up and call it a day.  Sell it an buy a new one if you're after a mint example.  Did you refinish that beech stock?  It looks great!


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emveepee
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September 7, 2020 08:33:48  

Depends on your budget. Definitely don't bead blast it. 


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Bob in WV
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September 7, 2020 09:26:08  

I would clean it up like the other posters said and shoot it.  My favorite guns are the most used and they show it.  


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bf1956
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September 7, 2020 09:38:00  

@derrick  So would a steel sleeve be more appropriate? Yes I refinished the stock and it took 3 times to get it right. First off it had some concrete like contusions on the right side just under the flute of the comb. At some time it was coated with a 3mls of some kind of amber colored urethane. Talk about tough stuff, oh and the checkering was also covered over. Had to use stripper to remove and after the first strip the remaining finish had taken on a whole new hardness. Talk about a PIA, it took an awful lot of determination to get it where it is. Now all of the OEM stain did not come out and after several attempts to restain and fail had to start over. So my final result ended with a  walnut hull paste burnished into open grain by hand. Now onto final stage of stain I used Fiebings Leather die (oil) light brown & mahogany 50/50 topped with 7 coats of true oil in a 7 week duration to allow for decent cure between applications.  Oh and thanks for the kind words & feed back.


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Derrick
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September 7, 2020 10:02:25  

@bf1956

Yep. Refinishing beech can be a nightmare. The stock looks really good.

Sleeving the barrel just leads back to where you are now--but instead of "how do you blue the barrel?", its "how do you blue the sleeve?" Trying to spot repair blueing often makes it look worse than leaving well enough alone.

 


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bf1956
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September 7, 2020 10:32:15  

@derrick  That barrel is pitted, it can't be removed. It would have to be turned down to eliminate pits, so cover it up with a shroud bead blasted and blued looks like a parkerized finish. Have done it on PBs, it works. So where to source thin wall tubing is next because that is how I will rectify barrel issue. Comp tube I will try to remove all rust from pitting not surrounding blueing and level off with a black tinted accra glass or better epoxy. Thimk ?


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marflow
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September 7, 2020 16:08:17  

tubing as a cover up

you will never find steel of the shelf that going to work 

carbon fiber can be got with  a 1mm thickness and would be very light and do the job 

you might be able to find Stainless thin enough and even brass 

but here is the rub, finding product that is dead nuts or a little over sized for your ID 

oh i have chased this idea and it isn't as easy as you think 

carbon fiber can be found in metrics sizes on Ebay from China i have bought many pieces 

K&S metals have tubing but there site has change and i don't believe they have anything over 1/2 OD

all thin metals could be anodized so that would be a good cover up, a early FWB 65's had barrel covers 

so what is the barrel size, 15mm -16mm anything in between becomes a problem 

as i stated before clean it up first cover it up later but first find a material first 

give me the barrel OD and i will look, i love a challenge 

 

 

so after spend some time know ing that the barrel is about 14.8mm +or-

and looking at stainless and brass as a tubing and knowing that it is the thinnest material but found nothing of much use 

now there is some 15mm ID tubing on Ebay that could be polished and anodized or power coated 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18-mm-OD-X-15-mm-ID-1-5-mm-THICKNESS-6061-ALUMINUM-TUBE-PIPE-ROUND-L-12-INCH/193594059830?epid=16027741198&hash=item2d131aec36:g:TjEAAOSwVA5aEB5f

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16MM-Tubing-3K-Carbon-Fiber-Rolled-Tube-OD16MM-X-ID12-13-14-15MM-L500-1000MM-H/352800899321?var=622091172866&hash=item52249280f9:g:0JEAAOSw675eJqt3

now there could be other tubing out there  and i'm sure there is but my looking has ended 


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marflow
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September 8, 2020 23:14:44  

this would be my choice for barrel cover 

black chrome or anodizes 

https://www.ebay.com/p/1319952561

shop around

would it long enough


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DavidEnoch
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September 9, 2020 08:33:16  

I love the look of a well used and well worn gun.  I would put Balistisol on the metal.  Tom Gaylord did a good blog series in the Pyramyd Airgun Blogs on restoring a badly rusted airgun.  I recommend that you read that.

I understand if that is not your cup of tea.  You could sent it to one of the airgun smiths for a re-blue.

David Enoch


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bf1956
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September 9, 2020 09:11:25  

@davidenoch  The 77 is not well used, but suffered a traumatic accident of some sort. The person I got it from took care of the stock in a hurry up remedy 

which did preserve it while it was moth balled. Did nothing to the metal and that is when damage was done. Lying around for years those rust pocks scab over eith a very hard crust preventing the spread but at the same time driving deeper. Rust just drives me nuts!


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bf1956
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September 9, 2020 09:17:40  

@marflow   Can't find my mic., it's like what the fook. I know I spend more time these days looking for stuff, and think some body borrowed it. Normally the items show up. So when I get a OD i will give you a shout.


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marflow
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September 9, 2020 15:10:36  

i think you will find it is 15mm- a bit 

and like you i misplace stuff all the time, i put it in a logical place and forget where logical place was 

i do have a remedy, buy more then one 

in any case good luck with what ever you decide 

mike


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straitflite
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September 9, 2020 17:48:28  

I may have missed it, but is that a 77 with the smaller internals? Not sure from what I've read when the air cylinder changed sizes. Anyone know? Was it post San Rafael?

I have always loved the look of the 77K with the Goudy stock...slick & stylish IMO, perhaps more so than any other springer ...in my eyes. Maybe because it looks so "rifle like". I personally prefer its looks over the current offering.


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bf1956
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September 10, 2020 09:34:58  

@straitflite  Not sure, Iwill check it out and reply later.


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straitflite
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September 10, 2020 15:58:50  

I only mentioned the cylinder size because over the years I recall people posting on favoritism toward the smaller piston diameter in 77/97 models. I don't have experience with either personally. Might come into play if I come across one that I like, dunno. I just like the looks of yours and their reputation spans many years.


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bf1956
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September 12, 2020 17:25:28  

Here is the mic. showing the O.D. of the comp tube. I have a 77 long rifle San Rafael and the posted 77k Huntington Beach, they both measure the same.

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Hotair
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September 13, 2020 17:49:38  

I would have it hydrodipped carbon fiber that would be awesome IMHO.


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BillinCCMo
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September 15, 2020 15:47:28  

It is somewhere around 135,xxx when the inside dimension went from 25mm to 26mm, if I recall correctly.


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BillinCCMo
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September 15, 2020 18:54:13  

Oops! Just checked Jim C's site under piston seals and its closer to 1,446,049. And checked my Hw97 and its serial number is 1,354,536. (25mm)


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timjohnston
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September 18, 2020 21:32:10  

Found this on the AVA forum.

January 1984 MK 1 HW 77 released in UK

1003486 was delivered in 1984
1003582 was delivered in 1984
1003986 manufactured 1984
1007956 was delivered 1984
1007970 manufactured 1984
1011026 was delivered in 1984
1011108 was delivered in 1984
1016650 was delivered in 1985
1016823 manufactured 1985

October 1985 MK2 77 anounced

1021358 Earliest known MK2 so far
1023310 manufactured 1985
1037060 Purchased new 16th July 1985
1032802 purchased new 1986
1036521 was delivered in 1987
1036528 was delivered in 1987
1041261 was delivered in 1987
1139541 was delivered in 1988
1139761 purchased new 1988
1178259 born 1989
1181401 was delivered in 1989
1181555 was delivered in 1989
1181588 was delivered in 1989

1182580 manufactured 1990
1183140 bought new in 1990
1186081 manufactured 1990
1188451 was delivered in 1990
1233526 Manufactured in 1991
1288125 was delivered in 1993
1288752 manufactured 1993
1289991 manufactured 1993
1302969 manufactured 1993
1364279 was delivered in 1994
1370364 produced in 1995
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1446049 HW 77 switch from 25mm to 26mm cylinder

1459697 was delivered 1998
1538821 bought new in 2001
1551576 was delivered in 2001
1576934 was delivered in 2002
1616583 produced in 2004
1622828 was delivered 2004
1687223 was delivered in 2006
1862995 was delivered in 2012

 

 

tim


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straitflite
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September 19, 2020 09:18:26  

@timjohnston

Awesome intel, copied and saved to my airgun folder. Thanks!

I wonder if there is any overall weight difference when it went from 25 to 26mm. Also, anyone know what year the Goudy stock was changed out to the current version?


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