I have used a many oil. CLP, FP10, Weapon Shield (which I have replaced FP10 with after the corporate flush), Ballistol, TSI 321. Almost all do well and it is not recommended to get any if the ones that clean on the seals. However, I remember NCED soaking a seal in Hoppes for a good amount of time, even then the seal survived. So they can be forgiving, and I keep a large bag of seals on hand any way.
I did find over time, you can be very carefuly, and the oil can still slowly migrate and run under the stock and heads to the cocking slot. Even then, I never had any issues. As a result, I have went back to rig grease, get a lint free rag and work it in on one side, rub it down and wipe clean with the other side.
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Prairie Farmer
I have used a many oil... However, I remember NCED soaking a seal in Hoppes for a good amount of time, even then the seal survived. So they can be forgiving, and I keep a large bag of seals on hand any way...Prairie Farmer
There's more than one Hoppes liquid product, and it matters which one we're talking about.
Hoppes 9 "Lubricating Oil" in the orange plastic, flip-top bottle is simple, clear, non-odiferous, non-solvent mineral oil, and it won't dissolve seals. However, if we are talking about springers here, you still don't want to drip it down into the inside of the compression chamber where it might cause unwanted detonation, or other problems leading to degraded and erratic performance.
OTOH, Hoppes Gun Bore Cleaner is a highly-reactive, highly-odiferous solvent that will definitely harm many if not all commonly used natural and synthetic seal materials (with perhaps the exception of leather, and even then I wouldn't take a chance--you can't miss that telltale smell).
I've always found NCED to be a highly-competent fellow, and careful about the information he posted. Based on the composition and description of the above 2 products, I feel it safe to say he was talking about the one shown on top.
I have used a many oil... However, I remember NCED soaking a seal in Hoppes for a good amount of time, even then the seal survived. So they can be forgiving, and I keep a large bag of seals on hand any way...Prairie Farmer
There's more than one Hoppes liquid product, and it matters which one we're talking about.
Hoppes 9 "Lubricating Oil" in the orange plastic, flip-top bottle is simple, clear, non-odiferous, non-solvent mineral oil, and it won't dissolve seals. However, if we are talking about springers here, you still don't want to drip it down into the inside of the compression chamber where it might cause unwanted detonation, or other problems leading to degraded and erratic performance.
OTOH, Hoppes Gun Bore Cleaner is a highly-reactive, highly-odiferous solvent that will definitely harm many if not all commonly used natural and synthetic seal materials (with perhaps the exception of leather, and even then I wouldn't take a chance--you can't miss that telltale smell).
I've always found NCED to be a highly-competent fellow, and careful about the information he posted. Based on the composition and description of the above 2 products, I feel it safe to say he was talking about the one shown on top.
I am pretty sure we were discussing the worse (best smelling) Hoppes on the bottom. And it wasn't the synthetic watered down version.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/junkyardairguns/soaking-a-hw-breech-seal-in-hoppes-9-test-t588.html
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Jason Garvin
OTOH, Hoppes Gun Bore Cleaner is a highly-reactive, highly-odiferous solvent that will definitely harm many if not all commonly used natural and synthetic seal materials (with perhaps the exception of leather, and even then I wouldn't take a chance--you can't miss that telltale smell).
I've always found NCED to be a highly-competent fellow, and careful about the information he posted. Based on the composition and description of the above 2 products, I feel it safe to say he was talking about the one shown on top.
I am pretty sure we were discussing the worse (best smelling) Hoppes on the bottom. And it wasn't the synthetic watered down version.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/junkyardairguns/soaking-a-hw-breech-seal-in-hoppes-9-test-t588.html
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Jason Garvin
That's very surprising.
I had a tuning customer send me an RWS 34 with a piston seal made of what appears to be similar material because it stopped shooting. That was after his non-air-gun-savvy brother used some of that exact solvent/cleaner to drip into the compression chamber, and it swelled the seal to such a large size I could barely pry it out of the gun. When I did, I could still smell the odor on the seal--it had become impregnated with it.
Maybe the case you mention with the HW breech seal speaks to the hearty nature of the material from which that seal is made. I just know that if it was me, based on what I experienced with my own eyes (and nose), I'd never let the stuff get anywhere near the seals of an air gun. You might get away with it--or maybe not. Why chance it when there are lots of other good, safe, affordable products to use? If you're going to err, IME, it's much better to do so on the side of safety and mechanical usefulness.
Yes, the full intent of the seal dunk in the ol Hoppes was more along myth busters. You are right, the seals are pretty good from HW. Personally I would never use Hoppes on my airguns, and even for powderguns, it is not the best.
To the original poster, the first gov contract CLP was much better then the Safariland. The new formula sucks.
I have went to Rig Grease only on my springers for the wipe downs. It makes a real nice look, and won't travel around.
Barrels, I use TSI cleaner, Ballistol, or Barricade mainly. Even then, with hinge barrels, I pull a patch from muzzle to breech, so the fluids squeegee at the muzzle and almost none hits the breech seal. The over unders, are a different story. I typically drop a small folded piece of paper towel or such in the tube, and clean from breech to muzzle with a pull thru.
The smell of the Hoppes reminds me of when I was a kid in my bed room cleaning my guns. Never forget that smell and the good times back then. Matter of fact, I told my wife recently to take 2 tampons, soakem full of Hoppes and throw them in my casket before they nail the lid shut. If nothing else, maybe I will smell good for awhile.........
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Prairie Farmer
The smell of the Hoppes reminds me of when I was a kid in my bed room cleaning my guns. Never forget that smell and the good times back then. Matter of fact, I told my wife recently to take 2 tampons, soakem full of Hoppes and throw them in my casket before they nail the lid shut. If nothing else, maybe I will smell good for awhile.........
Ahhh yes the smell of Hoppes always brings memories of exciting times. Not sure I would want any tools of my wife's menstrual cycle in my casket however. Those could sometimes be a different sort of exciting times...I'd fear the possibility of excessive noise and/or violence while I was too be RIP. Since I cannot contribute anything else to this post, I thought I'd just throw that out there... ?
