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Any ideas why my 1322 fires while I'm pumping it?

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(@dedeye73)
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Any advice would  be welcome. First I noticed the trigger becoming very, very light....minutes later in continuing pellet tests from (17 gr. to 26.4) it fired autonomously after only 2-4 pumps. I wonder what gives...

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Have you done any mods to the trigger spring/trigger/sear engagement?

I have never changed the spring out, only compressed it to get a lighter trigger. 

Sometimes went too far, and had to stretch it a bit again, or else it went off unexpectedly.


   
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the pumping of the pistol and the trigger have nothing to do with each other 

one is front of the house and the other is back of the house 

you state it fires and the only way it can fire is if the hammer hit the valve stem 

but the term fires could mean different things to different people 

now what we need are details 

can you pump it up to 10 pumps without cocking the pistol and if so it is not the front of the house, meaning the valve 

you cock the gun the hammer is held by the sear on the face of the hammer 

the sear spring holds the sear up to do that and a much lighter than a factory spring can do that 

but if the sear spring is so weak that you can shake the hammer from the sear as you cock it than the sear spring is too weak 

this is not rocket science 


   
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(@dedeye73)
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@matchstickshooter I'm hoping that's the solve. Thanks there. My records and recall are lacking re. the barrage of mods I worked into The 1322 and BP2220 a decade ago. One of the two received  an improved sear spring. I'll try stretching it out to some degree. Is it simple to "thumb out" freely or does it require some type of tension place holder at the top?


   
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(@dedeye73)
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@marflow Yes.. I can fill it with ten  pumps (with or without the safety) before charging the bolt chamber. I'll let ya. know if "de-improving" the sear spring squares it.


   
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the Crosman sears have a certain amount of slop lets say, so they can twist 

but i think you will find that the hammer spring is overpowering the sear spring you have installed and even if the safety was on the hammer could slam forward 

the safety just blocks the trigger and nothing more 

i have settle on the same spring for the 2240 or 13** if i leave the factory trigger group in place and then use a piece of pickup tube that are used in Dial Bodywash for the their pumps

and then a rivet with a resized head for the top of the spring 

now there are more ways to do this, everyone has their own 

now Magnum makes pins and sears

but as i said everyone has their own way 

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Posted by: @marflow

the pumping of the pistol and the trigger have nothing to do with each other 

one is front of the house and the other is back of the house 

you state it fires and the only way it can fire is if the hammer hit the valve stem 

but the term fires could mean different things to different people 

now what we need are details 

can you pump it up to 10 pumps without cocking the pistol and if so it is not the front of the house, meaning the valve 

you cock the gun the hammer is held by the sear on the face of the hammer 

the sear spring holds the sear up to do that and a much lighter than a factory spring can do that 

but if the sear spring is so weak that you can shake the hammer from the sear as you cock it than the sear spring is too weak 

this is not rocket science 

 

What I was getting at is a lot of owners cock the pistol, load a pellet and THEN pump it up.

If the trigger is light enough, at that point, couldn't it go off??

I bow out.............

 


   
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yes, i agree Matchstick 

if the sear spring is so weak that the movement of the gun allows the hammer to push be the sear engagement you have a problem 

also a short spring might not have the sear at the right height 

look it is a sear spring problem, you and i know these gun well enough to know that 

too greedy equals malfunction

if it is twisting the trigger adjustment screw too far or to light of a spring in some sort of application 


   
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(@dedeye73)
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@matchstickshooter It's a top notch hitter again!!! After loosening the sear spring, tightening some screws and a good oiling, this show is back on the road!! Thanks to  You both for the insights. Hooligan blue jays should not sleep well.


   
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@dedeye73 

thanks, maybe I do know a little something.

maybe a lucky guess...


   
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