I ordered the Air Venturi Avenger .25 on June 19 from PA. Original reply from PA was "in stock" in early July, then target moved to July 20. NOW, the in stock timing is September 15 !!! WHAT? Requested feed back from PA this morning. Anyone know what is going on with Air Venturi, re: Avenger availability?
I as well, ordered a .25 and a .177 in mid June. Saw the same ETA. I knew they would not arrive the second week in July. I’m going to play the devil’s advocate and say it will be late fall, maybe late October before we pull the trigger on one.
Few, if any, airgun products as exciting as this one will arrive on their first ETA and sometimes the second. If you do sincerely want one, don’t cancel your order. Yours will be given to the next person in line and their are a lot of them, and you will go to the back.
I recall years and years ago a similar situation with an airgun (don’t recall which one) causing a bunch of people canceling their preorders (no, not the Hammer. Long before it.) and later pleading with dealers to reinstate their original spot. Didn’t happen....
Any reason other than those given by PA/AV will be purely speculation and will unfortunately not improve the delivery. Would love to hear what they tell you. Keep us posted.
@airgunsoftulsa Hi Dave: Thanks for the response. Agree, it will not be any time soon for deliveries. At least we were in the early wave of orders. I have been in this hobby for a fairly long time, and have never seen the kind of reviews that the Avenger has gotten from credible sources re: a very affordable gun. This could bode well for the entire community of air gunners if the results of this gun triggers (pun intended) a movement toward better performance at affordable cost. Not polyanna, but success breeds success. Just curious, did you buy the 77 for target, and the 25 for pesting/hunting? Best Regards.
@airgunsoftulsa Dave. See note on PA web site. PreOrders for Avenger placed before early July will be shipped by July 20. Great news!
The .25 will be a backup gun (if it shoots reallly reallly well, maybe my primary?) for when a couple of us go on an annual prairie dog hunt in May/ June. So no real hurry with this one.
The .177 I intend to use as an affordable “loaner” gun for getting guys/gals started in HFT. Although I’ve yet to see a .177 review I’m hoping it shoots like its’ bigger brothers. A new guy/gal who’s smacking kill zones quickly become an “addict”.?
thanks for the heads up!
Sounds like we are in luck! If I get the .177 in time I may take it to the Arlington Texas (if still planned) FT match.
fingers crossed!
Dave
i believe the rifle you were thinking of was the Badger 40cal from Airgun Depot, I pre-ordered as did a lot of others and a bunch canceled because of the wait and then the price went after that.
PA's done this over and over. I was all set to order the Beeman Competition PCP when it was back in stock on the 7th of July. Now it's set for September?
Make that Jan. 2021 ?
I ordered the T200 from Champions Choice...
Frustrating!
A friend of mine had recent issues with Pyramid Air. He ordered one rifle. They sent something else. He returned it. Then they said; sorry we're out of the one you ordered. Refunded his money no problem but product inventory should be second nature to online vendors by now.
Back on topic. As far as the Avenger is concerned, you might find these videos interesting:
Ted gives it a preliminary "thumbs-up."
A second friend of mine and I are old Crosman, Sheridan and Benjamin fans that recently got sick and tired of pumping. I sold or traded everything and bought a P1(HW45) and an R9(HW95), both in .22, and never looked back. It sounds like my friend may be turning to the dark side. We'll still stay friends. We've known each other since the second grade after all. I told him to watch those videos. Seems like a great gun to "dip the toe in" so to speak.
@airgunsoftulsa
The Pyramyd Air Blog said the .177 would be shooting at 22 FPE which is a little hot for Field Target.
You may need to play around with it a little to get it down below 20 foot pounds.
David Enoch
Does the high fill pressure bother you guys on the the Avenger? 300 BAR, or 4351 PSI means that you will not get but a very few fills off a carbon fiber tank and that it it is really meant to be filled by a small compressor.
I was immediately turned off by the high fill pressure. It will be interesting to see what it can do with a 3000 psi fill.
David Enoch
@davidenoch Dave: Good question. Yes, I am concerned somewhat, but based on the adjustability features, power, and accuracy demonstrated on AEAC , Tyler Patner video's I am willing to deal with fill pressure. I intend on "working" with the gun to fully explore what it can and cannot do. I also think that Air Venturi is creating a major direction to the rest of the manufacturers. Should be an interesting time.
Hey David! Good to hear from you! Sorry the Texas Show was cancelled. Was looking forward to visiting with you and the boyz.
Yes, the Avenger out of the box, is possibly shooting a bit hot and I plan on getting it down to 20 if it is. With the hammer spring and regulator being adjustable, I see no problem there.
As for 4500 fill pressure, of course, the gun doesn’t have to be filled to that pressure to operate properly. Being able to fill above 3000 is a bonus for those who can. My SCBA tank is never at 300 bar even after a fill so my testing will be starting somewhere less than 100% full.
My guess is, AV set out to offer a PCP gun with the cap of $299 that had all the possible features found in other guns shooters desired but couldn’t afford and being able to go to 4500 was a low cost option.
I suspect the .177 tuned to shoot HFT, will easily shoot a 60 shot match without refilling at 3000. Hardairmagazine tuned their .22 down to 20fpe, filled to 3000 psi and got a very respectable 90 shots. I would hope the .177 properly tuned for FT would produce in excess of 120 shots on the 300 bar fill.
Hopefully, I will soon be able to report back with some findings as to what can be expected from the gun.
Has anyone seen or heard anything on the first wave? The 20th silently came and went..
I don't really mind waiting, but it would be nice to know what's going on with them.
Well, then there's that! 30 minutes after I posted, an email popped up with my shipping notification. Neat!
@pointyhead My .25 avenger is on the truck for delivery today. I ordered on 6/19. ?
@airgunsoftulsa
I also went with the .25
So hopefully ? mine will ship by next week. Date of order for mine was 6/28. My snafu may be in the fact I ordered a .177 as well. Have seen zero info on this caliber.
A buddy got notification yesterday (7/21) that his 0.177 shipped. Order date was 6/17.
Pretty sure my 0.22 ordered 7/9 is gonna be a while before it ships......just a few days too late.......... ?
I ordered the Air Venturi Avenger .25 on June 19 from PA. Original reply from PA was "in stock" in early July, then target moved to July 20. NOW, the in stock timing is September 15 !!! WHAT? Requested feed back from PA this morning. Anyone know what is going on with Air Venturi, re: Avenger availability?
Assume you have received yours by now, as PA. stated that orders prior to July 8th would be covered with 1st shipment. Ordered my .25 on July 1st & receiving today, as have quite a few people on other forums.
@be4meliz Yes, I received the Avenger on the 20th. Immediately used my Patch Worm kit and cleaned the barrel. Waiting for a compressor on order to fill gun. Lightly oiled moving parts with RemOil. All looks good. Put 4-16-50 scope on, soooo I'm ready for the compressor to get here STAT donchano! ?
@caninesinaction- Glad to hear it- Check this guide out(it's for .22 but should apply) airgunnation.com/topic/aeac-video-air-venturi-avenger-22-full-tuning-guide/ Will post targets @ 65 yds + chrony for several pellets, if I get soon enough today(Fedex) Gonna try his 1800 reg set with Hs @ 2.75 turns from fully out & go from there.
@be4meliz Yo: I watched the AEAC video several times last week. 3 different tunes. Very well done. Like you, I'll try the pro tune and go from there. Bought some FX slugs, and will also try the power tune later. Good Stuff, thanks.
Put the Avenger .25 through a site-in with JSB 25.39 pels. My site in distance is 65 yds. Took four shots to adjust the 4-16-50 to my aim point. Once satisfied, I put an 8 shot magazine into a 3/4 inch circle. I had the gun filled to 3300 psi, reg. at 2600. Had the occasion last night to nail a VERY LARGE rat that snuk in from the adjacent vacant lot, attempting to set up house in my garage. One head shot followed by a second through the abdomen gave him a dirt nap. So far, the gun-the magazines-the side lever-the trigger are flawless. I'm still awaiting the compressor delivery, so I used the "eBay" hand pump. Took about 200 pumps from basically empty as received from PA to get to 3300. For what it's worth, (and I have had expensive guns-both break barrel & pcp-and other inexpensive guns), but this is the best yet for consistency, accuracy, and power. Marvelous trigger, and butter smooth side lever. This is a keeper!
I have heard a couple of comments already that the gun feels cheap-OH CONTRERE"-this is as good as it gets for $299. If you insist on a walnut stock to make you "feel better", and think that the gun will perform better? go for it. I am not trying to be a smart a--, I just appreciate what AirVenturi has produced at a reasonable cost to provide a VERY high performing air gun. KUDOS!!!
Put the Avenger .25 through a site-in with JSB 25.39 pels. My site in distance is 65 yds. Took four shots to adjust the 4-16-50 to my aim point. Once satisfied, I put an 8 shot magazine into a 3/4 inch circle. I had the gun filled to 3300 psi, reg. at 2600. Had the occasion last night to nail a VERY LARGE rat that snuk in from the adjacent vacant lot, attempting to set up house in my garage. One head shot followed by a second through the abdomen gave him a dirt nap. So far, the gun-the magazines-the side lever-the trigger are flawless. I'm still awaiting the compressor delivery, so I used the "eBay" hand pump. Took about 200 pumps from basically empty as received from PA to get to 3300. For what it's worth, (and I have had expensive guns-both break barrel & pcp-and other inexpensive guns), but this is the best yet for consistency, accuracy, and power. Marvelous trigger, and butter smooth side lever. This is a keeper!
I have heard a couple of comments already that the gun feels cheap-OH CONTRERE"-this is as good as it gets for $299. If you insist on a walnut stock to make you "feel better", and think that the gun will perform better? go for it. I am not trying to be a smart a--, I just appreciate what AirVenturi has produced at a reasonable cost to provide a VERY high performing air gun. KUDOS!!!
Gotta laugh- Sighted my .25 @ 65 yds also- Ran ~ 200 shots thru it yesterday on 2000 psi reg set &2 turns in on HS & was getting~ 55 shots on full fill @ 890fps & 1/2" groups @ 65 yds. Only issue I have is that my mags are tight to the point of binding(its about clearance & not the rotating front) -fixed by sanding back of mag on flat surface with #150 grit & now function properly( didn't take much)Cleaned barrel completely afterward & will get some strings out today + try some of my Nielson & griffin slugs.
@be4meliz My final post on the Avenger. As received from PA, the Avenger was set at 2700 on reg., 5.5 turns in on HS. Have put about 100 of the JSB 25.39 pels through, all from the 8 shot cartridge. Used single shot tray for the FX Hybrid slugs, shot about 20. At 68 yds, the accuracy is phenomenal. Nothing outside of 3/4", but most within a dime sized group. Any "wandering" is me shooting off of home made rice bags. Have not touched the trigger yet, and very happy with it the way it came from PA (about 2 lbs). Hand pumping beyond 3200 psi is just beyond this 80 year old codger, but I still get 30 shots until it falls off the reg. Come on compressor!
@airgunsoftulsa HOW YOU DOING AIR GUNNER MY NAME IS BREAK BARREL I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POST TALKING ABOUT THE 177 AVENTURINE AVENGERS I AM INTERESTED IN BUYING IT IS THE AIR RIFLE ANYTHING LIKE IT'S BIG BROTHER IS IT WORTH THE BUY FOR SMALL GAME BECAUSE I AM INTERESTED IN BUYING IT TODAY THANK YOU HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU
The .177 IMHO is every bit the gun the larger calibers are in terms of accuracy. Know that my intent with the .177 (and I do have a .25 Avenger as well) is to use it as a gun to loan to people who would like to try shooting field target but may not want nor be able to spend a lot of money on a dedicated rifle.
I have not tried a variety of ammo as it has responded to shooting the JSB 10.34 exceptionally well for it’s intended use.
The only changes I have made to the gun from the way I received it is, lowered the regulator pressure to 1200 psi according to the gauge on the gun resulting in a velocity of 875 FPS (18 FPE) and producing slightly over 1” groups at 50 yards. I also adjusted the trigger to my liking to about 1-1/2lb of pull.
If you’re wanting a pesting or hunting rifle In .177 I believe the gun has the capability to give you excellent results.
Also know the gun as you receive it, is not what I’d consider backyard friendly in terms of noise. If this is a concern, you will want to pursue an aftermarket moderator.
All the best and good luck in your shooting. If you have any more questions please don’t hesitate to reach out to me.
Dave
@airgunsoftulsa THANK YOU EXTREMELY DAVE YOU ARE IF EXTREMELY GOOD HELP I APPRECIATE IT FOR TAKING ALL YOUR TIME AND HELPING ME OUT THE ONLY REASON I'M GETTING THE 177 IS BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I LOOK FOR THE 25 CALIBER IT'S SOLD OUT WHICH THAT'S THE ONE I REALLY WANT BUT MIGHT JUST CONSIDER FOR THE 177 FOR NOW THANKS DAVE
BREAK BARREL....
At PA the "new" in-stock date has moved to November 9.
Early I said "last post on avenger", but I lied. I have been shooting the avenger regularly since July(about 50 pellets a week). I am still hand pumping (canceled compressor considering my low volume of use). Adjusted trigger to about 1 lb, adjusted regulator to 2100 psi, and turned HS in 3 full turns. Pump to 3200 psi, shoot 4 cartridges and pressure drops to 2800 psi. 40 pumps and I'm back to 3200 psi. Still using only the JSB 25.39 diabolo pels at targets about 65 to 75 yards. Average muzzle velocity is close to 900 fps. I get a flyer once in a while on first shot after pumping to 3200 psi, but then the gun produces a pattern no larger than a nickel. I am still surprised at the performance and value of this gun. Trigger and side cocking are flawless. Only problem was a broken spring on one of the cartridges. Just doesn't get much better than this. ?
I've delayed ordering the Avenger for months because I was worried how it would perform off a hand pump with lower pressures.
Sounds like you're having some good success though... You might have just sealed my order!
@crazyhorseTHE DATE IS ALWAYS MOVING FOR ALOT OF THEY STOCK.. THE BEEMAN COMMANDER 22 CALIBER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT AS OF YET NOTHING ?
Is the current Avenger a new improved model? I have read somewhere that they have valves that are prone to failure.
@hotairHEY AIRGUNNER IT'S THE NEW AVENGER THE VALVES ARE NOT FLANKY THEY ARE NICE WELL BUILT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL RIFLE WITH A LOT OF POWER
Hope they improved it from the previous model that's all.
I'm now considering ordering a DAR instead for cheaper than the Avenger which has a wooden stock and improved valve if the Avenger hasn't addressed their valve issue yet.
Think it is the poppet...to soft. Some changes/upgrades in the works and I think there has been regulator creep...hopefully those items get addressed...in the meantime I'm ordering a Gen 11 DAR .22 from https://www.dynamicairrifles.com/
@hotair THAT DAR PCP AIR RIFLE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL I LOVE THE LOOKS OF IT AND IT HAS THE SIDE LEVER I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO IT TO SEE WHAT POTENTIALLY HAS MIGHT GET IT FOR CHRISTMAS IT'S REALLY NICE ?
When you say you shoot four cartridges are you saying 4 shot, and then 40 pumps to bring the pressure back up?
David Enoch
Go to GTA and read post threads on Avenger Gen 11. Some reviews, history etc..it is regulated and they just did extensive testing to gen 11 to correct teething issues with gen 1.
I just got an email from PA...Avenger ready to ship now...in stock.
@davidenoch Hi Dave: I have the first edition of the Avenger. To answer your question: I shoot 4 full cartridges, and then hand pump back up to 3100psi. The 32 shots reduce the pressure to about 2400psi. After shooting 350 pellets thru gun, I reset the regulator to 2100psi, and reset HS to 3 full turns in. I do not have a chrony to determine muzzle velocity, but the gun still produces nickle sized groups at 62 yds, and power with the jsb 25.39 pellets is VERY good. I have had zero problems with the gun. I just punch paper, and shoot the gun sparingly every week. Can't say enough about the Avenger for $299. ?
@airgunsoftulsa
Your write-up is the only one I have found on .177 Avenger tunes. This is a helpful start for me; I just got my .177 and have a FT match in two weeks. Thanks.
If you have any other insights or have tried other pellets, please let us know.
At PA the "new" in-stock date has moved to November 9.
You know how rubberneckers on the freeway lead to a big slowdown that takes ages to dissipate? That's the global shipping industry right now. The US West Coast ports are weeks behind unloading ships, and those ships already were weeks out from the next delivery so it compounds. Add to that the effects on available containers at either end, rail and trucking capacity and oodles of outfits scrambling to grab the scarce shipping capacity, oodles of consumers ordering massively more online than ever before further clogging domestic shipping, and well...November could be wildly optimistic.
