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bruceruth
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July 24, 2020 10:41:48  

I am trying to decide on a pellet gun that I want to serve 2 purposes.

1.  rid the yard of invasive pests.

2. shoot 10 meters at my club in a shoot what you got set up.  Here there will be anything from $100 CMP guns to $2500 dedicated 10 meter guns and we allow scopes.

So, my question is, at 10 meters how much more accurate is something like an FWB 800 or a T200 or an S400 compared to a Marauder F/T or a Gauntlet?

Thanks


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Arkmaker
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July 24, 2020 11:33:56  

Loving my new CZ T200, but I would use my Disco for pesting anything larger than a squirrel under 20 yards.

Rich


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Ed Canoles
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July 24, 2020 12:33:42  
Posted by: @bruceruth1988

I am trying to decide on a pellet gun that I want to serve 2 purposes.

1.  rid the yard of invasive pests.

2. shoot 10 meters at my club in a shoot what you got set up.  Here there will be anything from $100 CMP guns to $2500 dedicated 10 meter guns and we allow scopes.

So, my question is, at 10 meters how much more accurate is something like an FWB 800 or a T200 or an S400 compared to a Marauder F/T or a Gauntlet?

Thanks

Hummm.....my .177 HW95 and Beeman R9 shoots pretty tight out to 18 yards even when shot sitting on a bucket resting the gun on cross sticks.........

 

Anywhoo...seems to me that the difference would be the shooter but I don't have the shooting skill to know the difference!

 


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ribbonstone
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July 24, 2020 13:54:49  

Come to agree with Arkmaker's comment.....better to have two PCP's,each suited well to certain jobs. than it is to have two PCP's that do the same job.

Do like springers...and are accurate once you get to know them well.

But I still can't get a lot of shots in a row without at least one flier. HAve manages some great 4X5 shot groups.....but normally it's like 19 good shots and an "oops".

May not want to shoot 60 shots and count every one.....but the title of this includes 10meter,which would kind of include a lot of shots including the fliers.... tend to go with PCP's.

 

 

ONCE (only once) sat down and shot 205 shots (41 5-shot groups) in a row with an inexpensive PCP rifle (one fill for that particular rifle).

Even the worst group wasn't bad...the same slip in technique in a PCP has a much smaller penalty.

 

 

Really not intuitive how to get pictures to post on this site....but I'll try again with a direct link:

 

60 shots:

Was a touch high....didn't care....just kept on shooting.


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marflow
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July 24, 2020 16:07:21  

so at the 10m shoots you have ne power limit and you can use scopes 

the reason is pesting takes power and shooting targets at 10m doesn't 

and then you don't mention what pests you are hunting for 

i'm not sure 10 meter rifle and pesting gun would be used in the same sentence 

a Hammerli 850 could work, needs a little trigger work 


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Arkmaker
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July 24, 2020 18:33:48  

Accuracy should be #1

All else fails to provide a good time for me. I have to deal with the shakes of old age. So knowing that the rifle when matched with the right pellets will repeat and repeat and repeat is the world for me. If I miss (and that happens a lot) I know it was me and also know that about every 10th time out shooting I'm spot on and in the zone. It is intoxicating 😇 The closest thing to getting high since my youth. 

So if you have to pick one over the other, it has to be which is more important to yourself. I guess that's the long way to say it.

I'm lucky right now. I have the Disco for long range target shooting and pesting. Then I have the T200 for shorter range target shooting. And lastly an 850 in .22 for plinking and tree rat smacking. And man it swats a squirrel pretty good. Almost forgot the Titan, 2400kt and my old very 1st rifle, the 114. I sold the rest and still should sell the 850.... What did I say? I'd still be lucky without it though. It's a fun rifle but not really my thing right now. 

Hmm I think I'll take the T200 out before it gets dark 😁

Sorry for the long post. Lot on my mind I guess?


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Doug Wall
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July 25, 2020 08:01:36  

I'll also ask what kind of pests are you talking about?

All of the guns you mention are good shooters, and will meet your accuracy requirements. Since you're new here, if you go with a PCP gun, you will also need an air source. Hand pumping a bottle gun like the Gauntlet can be real exercise.


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MDriskill
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July 25, 2020 08:04:52  

What range, and size of critter, are involved in your "pesting" work? As marflow pointed out, that would diverge from 10 meter shooting at a certain point. A typical 10-meter gun is .177 caliber and in the 600 FPS neighborhood, which would make a fine 20-yard starling or mouse gun, but not a 50-yard squirrel rifle.

Your choice of 10-meter gun depends on how serious you want to be. A well-sorted R7 with an aperture sight, an older recoiling target rifle like an HW 55 or Walther LG 55, or an inexpensive Daisy single-stroke pneumatic can be pretty competitive. A modern match rifle such as the FWB you mentioned is better of course, but also vastly pricier. Unless you are planning on competing at a pretty high level, I would stick to a self-contained (spring-piston or single-stroke pneumatic) power plant. As already mentioned, a PCP takes supporting equipment which to me would not be very fun for your first "serious" air rifle.

Sights are also a consideration. Magnifying sights of any kind are not allowed in most formal 10-meter competition - you would typically use an aperture sight (as seen in my avatar pic). For head shots on small animals you want every advantage to accuracy, which for most folks means a scope.

Finally, think about size and weight. Match rifles are typically bulky and heavy - which may be fine if your pesting is done from a rest or close to your house. A smaller, lighter rifle is desirable if you are carrying it any distance.


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JiminPGH
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July 25, 2020 11:16:50  

Get yourself a Daisy 753.  Single stroke pneumatic, one pump, one shot.  Phenomenal 10M accuracy,  enough power to take squirrels at 10-15 yds with headshots, which is possible, given the aforementioned accuracy.

I've owned MANY 10M classic target guns, and the Daisy 753 has out-shot them all.


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Hector J Medina G
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July 25, 2020 11:29:21  
Posted by: @bruceruth1988

I am trying to decide on a pellet gun that I want to serve 2 purposes.

1.  rid the yard of invasive pests.

2. shoot 10 meters at my club in a shoot what you got set up.  Here there will be anything from $100 CMP guns to $2500 dedicated 10 meter guns and we allow scopes.

So, my question is, at 10 meters how much more accurate is something like an FWB 800 or a T200 or an S400 compared to a Marauder F/T or a Gauntlet?

Thanks

Get a "detuned" DIANA-54 (to 12 ft-lbs), get a ZR Mount for the scope of your choice. 

Now you have the equivalent of a "Hulk-Sized" FWB300. It will shoot right along many match guns with the right pellets (RWS SuperMag, or JSB S-100) and has the power to deal with most backyard pests out to 35-40 yards.

If ever you want to shoot with regulation target sights, a Williams FP/TK rear and the proper flat base/korntunnel in the front and you comply with regulations (except for power).

No need for a PCP.

 

JMHO

 

 

 

 

 

HM


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ribbonstone
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July 25, 2020 14:34:23  

Noticed something about getting a new Diana 54 currently?

HAve been looking at beat up ones/used,nasty looking....but are going to get a low power rebuild anyway.

Besides the new price (like $560-$580)...plus the price for someone to de-tune one to lower power....lets call that 650-$700 to get it tuned slower unless you are good at DIY...and likely $750-$850 for a good scope/mount(or maybe match sights fitted).

Who has them new in stock ready to ship?

What eles can you get for that $800?


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Arkmaker
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July 27, 2020 05:34:48  

$$ that's always the catch!

I have got to admit looking at the 54 more than once over the years. Every time it came down to that it is a beast if you don't detune it... I tried higher power Springers in the past, but even with the 54 sled I have been skeptical. So without detuning yourself, you then have to find a tuner with experience in the 54 and pony up the bucks to have it done right or what's the sense. Back to a 1K shooter, minimum! Ouch...

Used detuned 54's are rarely seen for sale. 


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Hector J Medina G
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July 27, 2020 08:40:03  

@ Ribbonstone.- The new AirKing Pro's will be hitting US coasts within the next 2 weeks. And they should go for pretty much the standard price. Current scarcity is just the result of a model change. With a correctly specced Maccari Spring you are looking at around 10 ft-lbs yield and about 30# PCF (Peak Cocking Force). Yes you need a custom guide and TopHat. IF this is enough for the OP's purposes it's about $800 all in with the proper custom work.

Whatever you buy you will need to scope, and if a PCP, then you need to buy the pump (unless you already have other PCP's and then the OP would not have much basis). AND pump. Of course you can buy a compressor, and a Stormrider with the Altaros regulator for about $800, and you can install the regulator and tune it down to whatever power level you need. You will still need a scope and rings. It will take some barrel work and the installation and refinement of the powerplant, but that is not beyond most advanced tinkerers capabilities.

So, there are several possbilities.

@ Arkmaker.- drop me a PM

 

Keep well and shoot straight!

 

 

 

HM

 


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bf1956
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July 27, 2020 09:02:34  

@hector-j-medina-g   Any pics ? Oh and if I may, what ever happened to those CZ 200 with the Altoros upgrades ?


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Hector J Medina G
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July 27, 2020 10:21:22  

@bf1956 

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There is an option in Beech, and POSSIBLY (under special order), Walnut.

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You can read more here:  https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-hpm-or-dianas-high-performance-muzzleweight 

Guns will come with the traditional front end muzzle piece and sights, the HPM (tunable muzzleweight) will come in the box, but uninstalled.

 

About those Altaros-upgraded CZ200's.-

As Far as I know, they all sold rather fast.

When Altaros tried to get another batch made was when CZ told us that, apart from the orders by AA of the S200, they would be getting out of the airgun business.

Whether that is true, or they were simply telling Altaros that they wanted orders in the range of hundreds of guns, we will know when life resumes its normal pace (post CoViD-19).

 

HTH

 

 

 

 

 

HM

 


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