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CarlosMendez
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2018-12-23 12:33:31  

This PCP is loaded with features, more than the Gauntlet and nearly the same cost.  So far everyone I know that has ordered one loves them..  Amazing accuracy.  They also come in Synthetic, for 30.00 less, only 299.95.

Nova Vista / Nova Liberty HP-P900


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DaBick
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2018-12-23 13:43:24  

Which US dealers sell this AG?

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BigTinBoat
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2018-12-23 14:02:41  
Posted by: DaBick

Which US dealers sell this AG?

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American Tactical - I just ordered one of the wood ones in .22 for $273 delivered. Use the code SANTA20 for 20% off. Not sure how long the sale lasts

https://www.americantactical.us/tag/liberty.html


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DaBick
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2018-12-23 17:05:46  

Can anyone confirm the weight of the plastic stock model?

They say it weighs the same as the wood stock; however, the Marauder plastic stock is a pound lighter.

 


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Hector J Medina G
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2018-12-23 17:39:31  

There can be several definitions of "Entry Level".

BUT, if you are thinking of a STARTER PCP, then I would contend that a smaller tank in a gun helps with hand-pump filling and therefore, a small efficient carbine with a 100 cc tank is a better starting point.

And for almost $130 less, the DIANA Stormrider is a good option to be considered (yes I am biased, but the arguments are here for you to analyze, weigh and decide):

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Diana_Stormrider_Multi_shot_PCP_Air_Rifle/4449#8647

Add between $50 and $90 and you can have a regulated gun with more than reasonable accuracy, great efficiency, excellent consistency, light weight and good performance.

Plus, you get the support of an established dealer dedicated SOLELY to airguns.

You will be able to work in your Stormrider and be assured of the availability of spare parts. That is also a point to be considered in a "starting" gun.

Yes it is a simpler gun, but my experience of over 45 years tells me that, for starting / beginning / entry level guns, less complicated is MUCH better.

JMHO

Keep well and shoot straight!

 

 

 

 

HM


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BigTinBoat
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2018-12-23 18:12:41  
Posted by: Hector J Medina G

There can be several definitions of "Entry Level".

BUT, if you are thinking of a STARTER PCP, then I would contend that a smaller tank in a gun helps with hand-pump filling and therefore, a small efficient carbine with a 100 cc tank is a better starting point.

And for almost $130 less, the DIANA Stormrider is a good option to be considered (yes I am biased, but the arguments are here for you to analyze, weigh and decide):

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Diana_Stormrider_Multi_shot_PCP_Air_Rifle/4449#8647

Add between $50 and $90 and you can have a regulated gun with more than reasonable accuracy, great efficiency, excellent consistency, light weight and good performance.

Plus, you get the support of an established dealer dedicated SOLELY to airguns.

You will be able to work in your Stormrider and be assured of the availability of spare parts. That is also a point to be considered in a "starting" gun.

Yes it is a simpler gun, but my experience of over 45 years tells me that, for starting / beginning / entry level guns, less complicated is MUCH better.

JMHO

Keep well and shoot straight!

 

 

 

 

HM

$130 less? How so? Using the PA link it says $199.99
Huma reg is $101 and the Altaros reg is $95 (using current $$ conversion)

SO I get $300.99 or 294.99 (and this is before any shipping and/or tax)

I just paid $273 for the Nova Vista.  SO $21 MORE, not $130 less

Diana has a bolt (not sidelever) and comes with 1 mag (Nova has 2)

Plus how many guys stay with a hand pump? 1 in 100?


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Hector J Medina G
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2018-12-24 09:00:16  

The link provided for the Vista quotes a $329 price.

The link provided for the Stormrider quotes a $199 price.

Do the arithmetic.

Special prices are always temporary and you shouldn't compare a wood stocked rifle to a synthetic stocked one and even less a regulated gun to a non-regulated one.

Altaros regulators will soon be available from PA for the Stormrider. Huma isn't in the run for quality and consistency of operation, but then you have probably never tested them side by side.

In any case, my point is that beginners may come in different sizes, shapes and needs.

And if you count the hundreds of youngsters and teenagers that start their shooting career as part of a school or club 3P Airgun program, you will see a LOT of young Dads pumping up their kids guns before taking the compressor or the tank route.

What you consider the "Best" may only be the best for you.

Anyway, have a great Holiday season!

 

HM


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BigTinBoat
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2018-12-24 10:08:13  
Posted by: Hector J Medina G

The link provided for the Vista quotes a $329 price.

The link provided for the Stormrider quotes a $199 price.

Do the arithmetic.

Special prices are always temporary and you shouldn't compare a wood stocked rifle to a synthetic stocked one and even less a regulated gun to a non-regulated one.

Altaros regulators will soon be available from PA for the Stormrider. Huma isn't in the run for quality and consistency of operation, but then you have probably never tested them side by side.

In any case, my point is that beginners may come in different sizes, shapes and needs.

And if you count the hundreds of youngsters and teenagers that start their shooting career as part of a school or club 3P Airgun program, you will see a LOT of young Dads pumping up their kids guns before taking the compressor or the tank route.

What you consider the "Best" may only be the best for you.

Anyway, have a great Holiday season!

 

HM

First off I'm not comparing the Synthetic to the Wood. I am getting WOOD for $273 delivered.

Wait, so I can't use a "special price" in the comparison, but YOU can use an item that will "soon" be available at PA for less? Laughable.

Not 100% sure, I'll have to go back and check the posts, but I believe it was YOU who brought the Regulated vs Non regulated (then adding a regulator) comparison into play.

As is the Huma comment. I've used reg made by at least 8 different manufacturers and Huma is right near the top, if not at the top.

So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

Merry Christmas to you!


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cosmic
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2018-12-24 13:45:29  

Difference is 3/4 lbs .... Plastic is 6.6 lbs.. (3 kilos )


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BigTinBoat
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2018-12-24 14:20:35  
Posted by: cosmic

Difference is 3/4 lbs .... Plastic is 6.6 lbs.. (3 kilos )

That's the same weight they list for the wood


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ribbonstone
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2018-12-24 17:40:19  

Truth?...at least on an individual basis?

I looked at the Nova Vista, and it seems like a really nice rifle form most "modern" buyers....can see where repeater, shroud, with at east "good" power, would be a big plus for many shooters.

But....

I'm not that hung up on repeaters. It's a good one, with an "open top" with a useful single shot adaptor would work easily, but it doesn't earn but a + 2 points for being a repeater with an good adaptor (lets say a good single shot is "neutral"and a mag. fed repeater than makes you do controtions to load a single shot agaptor earns a -1. A repeater with no real way to load singlet shot earns a -2).

MUCH prefer a removable LDC to a pretty-much non-removale shroud. With the shroud a -1 for me.

Although it LOOKS like a bolt gun, it's a side leaver. Prefer  a bolt,so make that a -1.

Totals out to "neutral"...which is pretty much how I still feel about it...but I'm a crusty old phart and pretty set in my ways.

(NOPE...won't be at all offended if your preferances are exactly the opposite of mine....that's what life is all about.


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Frank in Fairfield
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2018-12-24 18:35:44  

We do not discuss entry level wives, either.

Stay safe and free..


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awilde
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2018-12-26 08:14:50  
Posted by: Frank in Fairfield

We do not discuss entry level wives, either.

We do at the Shooting the Breeze section  😋 


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bReTt
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2018-12-27 07:51:18  

Man!  You guys are harsh.

 

A guy makes a post asking about a particular gun along with a video link to bring some attention to it and start some airgun talk and all of a sudden it becomes a battle of testosterone to see how far we can break each other's opinions down and play King of the Hill over the internet?

This isn't a MMA contest, it's an airgun forum.  Survival of the fittest shouldn't be applied here.  It's supposed to be fun???

 

Now on the OP topic....

 

The gun looks like a great bargain with all of those features.  If I didn't already have an overpriced similar rifle of a different brand, I would consider one.  I personally have come to really appreciate side lever cocking.  

Thanks for the video link.  

Ice cold milk and chocolate chip cookies any day!


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CarlosMendez
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2018-12-27 14:57:54  

Wow, I thought I was in the "Old" Yellow, there for a minute. lol


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cosmic
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2018-12-27 17:01:46  

Wood is 3/4 of a pound more .. 3.34 kilos


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classicalgas
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2018-12-30 16:29:45  

IMO, based on 35 years experience with PCP's (yes, I bought my first pcp in 1984) an entry level pcp should NOT have a regulator, and probably should be single shot. Simplicity = less stuff to go wrong, less to check when accuracy goes south. Add the better ergonomics of a single shot (lower center of gravity, lighter, lower sight line) and single shot looks even more attractive. Lower cost means if the newbie loses interest, he's not lost much on on the gun.


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CarlosMendez
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2019-01-15 00:09:53  

By entry level I meant.  For those wanting a PCP that cannot afford an $800.00 rifle but would like a lot of good features.


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DavidEnoch
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2019-01-15 08:05:07  

I don't see that much discussion of entry level guns of any brand on this site.  This site tends to have more experienced airgunners than some other sites.  Airgun Nation seems to be the same.  I notice on the GTA that a good deal of their discussions are of entry level guns..  There are good people and jerks on every forum.  That is just life.

In my opinion, a gun for a beginner, (or someone without much money), needs: (1) to have a good reputation, (2) have good company support, and (3) be a platform that a lot of people are familiar with so that they can get help if they have a problem with the gun.  I am much more likely to recommend a Benjamin Discovery or Marauder because it ticks off all of those qualifications.  If the person can swing it at all I recommend that they wait for a used Air Arms such as a 300, 400, or 500 series or a used FX rifle.

Thanks for posting the video and bringing awareness to a gun I had never heard of.  I think all of us like to learn about new offerings.

David Enoch


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