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RockDoc65
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2019-04-28 19:59:24  

Last week my neighbor came over carrying his girlfriends Pumpmaster 760. It seems that it wasn't working correctly and he was wondering if I'd have a look inside. I have some experience with the Crosman "two-halves" design philosophy (2200 Magnum, 1970's vintage 760) so I knew the importance of making sure ALL of the pins, springs, do-hickeys, and gizmos are lined up properly while you marry the two halves. I said I'd have a look.

I  got it to the workbench/basement range; sure enough, it wouldn't cock. I pulled out a half-dozen screws or so. I should have seen what was coming as the screws were the same type that are commonly used to hold together plastic toys and inexpensive kitchen appliances. I carefully separated the receiver halves. To paraphrase Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" or "Apocalypse Now"; "The horror, the horror."

CHEAP. I don't mean built to a "price-point," I mean cheap. OK, if that price-point was $2.99 then fine but they charge ten times that for this gun. The trigger return spring is PLASTIC. The little loops that hold the butt-stock on are VERY THIN plastic. Those of you that fondly remember the wood-stocked, brass bolt knob 760's of yesterday; do not buy this gun. It will crush your soul.

The only difference between this gun and a plastic squirt-gun is that the squirt-gun's halves are cemented together rather than screwed. Based on these screws you might be tempted to infer that the 760 is somehow serviceable. You would be mistaken and horribly disappointed.

Anyway, I am glad it's not mine. I will offer a "don't buy" warning. If you don't heed that warning at least buy the smallest container of BB's available. This gun isn't likely to last long enough to use up a bigger container.

All the best;

RockDoc.


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Jim in SWMO
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2019-04-28 21:11:01  

Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it will save someone from the disappointment of it not living up to the old 760s. I gave up on the 760 long ago, back around the time they did away with the metal receiver.

On a side note. Every time I see the 760 mentioned I get that hollow feeling of regret. I had an early/mid 70's model with the metal receiver, brass bolt, solid plastic butt stock with checkered grip, and smooth wood pump handle. In an act of foolishness I let a friend talk me into selling it to him. That was back in the mid 80's and I've regretted it pretty much ever since. What makes it even worse is it was one that had a rifled barrel on it. Seeing what they've become today really makes me wish I had never sold it. 😔

"You've come far, pilgrim."-------"Feels like far."
"Were it worth the trouble?"-----"Ah, what trouble?"


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thirdshift
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2019-04-28 21:29:18  

I have worked on Nerf guns that were built better than that Crosman 760.

Sad news indeed..

 


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ekmeister
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2019-04-28 22:38:13  
Posted by: RockDoc65

Last week my neighbor came over carrying his girlfriends Pumpmaster 760...I should have seen what was coming as the screws were the same type that are commonly used to hold together plastic toys and inexpensive kitchen appliances. I carefully separated the receiver halves. To paraphrase Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" or "Apocalypse Now"; "The horror, the horror."

...CHEAP. I don't mean built to a "price-point," I mean cheap. OK, if that price-point was $2.99 then fine but they charge ten times that for this gun. The trigger return spring is PLASTIC. The little loops that hold the butt-stock on are VERY THIN plastic. Those of you that fondly remember the wood-stocked, brass bolt knob 760's of yesterday; do not buy this gun. It will crush your soul...

RockDoc

I had one of the oldies about 50 years ago.  I swear that's right, although it sounds like too long ago.  It might have been right after they changed from wood to plastic.  Mine was plastic.  But, what I DID miss about them after another major change is that the barrels were no longer rifled like mine was.  There went the accuracy when shooting pellets.  Too bad.  (But, now we have cell phones with GPS, so I guess we win and lose along the way.  I am SO glad I don't have to fold up those infernal paper road maps anymore).

Safe and Happy Shooting!

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Hotair
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2019-04-29 01:11:38  

The bad reviews seem to be true about the cheaper Crosman pumpers lately. I would opt instead for the Daisy 880, at least you can order the metal receiver direct from Daisy if you wanted to upgrade the plastic receiver and they are rather cheap too. The Daisy 880s can be modded to be tack drivers (seriously no BS). Last cheap Crosman pumper that I would recommend in this class that I used regularly was more than 40-50 years ago. The stock was plastic but it sure was a work horse and never failed after thousands upon thousands of shots!

I think the receiver was metal. It had been a very very very long time ago...

HA


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Mike_Lenardon
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2019-04-29 09:28:06  

We still have the 760 my daughter started shooting when she was 6. She is 27 now. Plastic bolt, breach, stock but it does have a rifled barrel. It is pretty darn accurate and we have had no problems of any kind. Still fun to shoot.


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RockDoc65
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2019-04-29 10:45:03  

Now I have to figure out what to do when he picks it up. I'm not worried about telling him that the gun is toast, he suspected that when he dropped it off. I'm worried about what to say if he asks for a recommendation. They are my age-ish (50's) but have not taken to the inter-web as I have. It will be another local purchase like Walmart or Fleet Farm.

Then comes the lecture about "keeping squirrels off the bird feeder" and how if you just want to scare them off a 760 is entirely too much power and risks injury and slow death while if they are trying to kill them and put them in the freezer than a 760 is probably not enough power.

Then the discussion on budget for a gun, etc., etc. Sometimes being a responsible adult is exhausting. lol.

Anyway, I hope everyone is good and enjoying life.


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Hotair
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2019-04-29 15:10:15  
Posted by: thirdshift

I have worked on Nerf guns that were built better than that Crosman 760.

Sad news indeed..

 

Now THAT IS REAL SAD!!! I had a collection of NERF GUNS TOO!!!

 

HA


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Hotair
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2019-04-29 15:15:13  

The Daisy 880 would be my recommendation out to 20 to 25 yards if it has to be from Walmart.

He should return that Crosman 760 if he can then exchange it for the Daisy 880 IMHO.

Chances are it probably broke within the 90 day return policy and even without a receipt he can get a store credit if he lost it. Just as long as the gun doesn't look like it has been tampered with.

The other option is to send it to Crosman but there has to be proof of purchase with a date within warranty period and request an upgrade for something better (but IDK what is currently better in the Crosman "economy" pumper rifle section as of now).  Maybe a 1377 or 1322 pistol with a carbine stock?

 

HA


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ekmeister
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2019-04-29 15:23:18  
Posted by: Hotair

The Daisy 880 would be my recommendation out to 20 to 25 yards if it has to be from Walmart...

HA

The Walmart site says that at least the 880 comes with a rifled barrel.  It should help with accuracy when shooting pellets (although 'tumbling ammo' has been used before with some success). 

I once owned a Crosman 2200 (.22 cal) MSP and it also had a rifled barrel.  Still, it was inaccurate at first because the 2 halves of the receiver didn't hold the barrel securely, to the point that the barrel wobbled badly.  Once I fixed that problem, it was quite a tack driver with a cheap scope on top.

In any case, personally, I prefer a rifled barrel for shooting pellets, bullets, etc.

Safe and Happy Shooting!

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https://www.airguntunemeister.com/


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Hotair
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2019-04-29 16:00:36  

There is this simple mod found on youtube to make the Daisy 880 barrel rigid which is the single most useful mod to be done to them which can result in some cases 1/4" groups at 20 yards.

I have yet to see any Crosman pumper "rifle" do 1/4" groups at 20 yards.

HA


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Skillet
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2019-04-29 18:10:37  

Have two 760s in “The pile”...

They are both ‘70s vintage self-cockers with metal receivers and wooden furniture. Wouldn’t fool my time away with the current offerings.

Enough to make a grown man cry.


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Limbshaker
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2019-04-29 20:21:40  

I think that's par for the course across the entire Crosman line. Everything I've had from them was junk. 

Speed doesn't mean a thing without precision.


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Hotair
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2019-04-30 00:34:52  

The current Crosman Pumper pistols are OK. Just stay away from the cheap plastic rifles.

HA


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