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ekmeister
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2019-06-24 19:03:25  

Guys, 

This is a question or item that's been on my mind for a long time now, but a good way to ask it didn't surface until a few days ago.  It's about how many people are actually willing to use a hand pump to charge their rifle (or portable tank), as well as the other ways to feed their PCP the air it needs.

There might be variations of what I'm going to ask here, but I've tried to cover as many of those as possible in the question and possible answers.  You're certainly welcome to qualify your answer with comments as you best see fit!

Here it goes:

How many of you, as your primary source of air for your PCP, most often use...

1. A hand pump?

2. A portable tank, but without having your own compressor to fill it?  In other words, you get your tank filled by someone else, like at your local paintball place or fire station?  (Or, maybe even with your friend's compressor?--that still counts as answer #2).

3. Your own compressor(s)?

All replies are most-appreciated, thanks.  Just so you'll know, I'm not planning enter any area the PCP filling business.  This isn't about money in any way.  It really just started when I saw how many people have posted about using a hand pump, and it surprised me that so many people are willing to do all that work--lol.  (Maybe I'm just imagining it to be harder than it really is).

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

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Frank in Fairfield
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2019-06-24 19:16:40  

3

Stay safe and free..


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Rob in NC
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2019-06-24 20:13:03  

3...

All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.

Good judgment comes from experience; experience usually comes from bad judgment.


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GLPalinkas
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2019-06-24 20:38:52  

1....Started out with...Handpump
2...Next Tank filled at SCUBA shop
3...Finally bought a large tank and fill it with a compressor (AirVenturi)


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Bob in WV
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2019-06-24 20:51:04  

2


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ribbonstone
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2019-06-24 20:57:03  

1 and 3...with 1 being more often.

 

The small air volume guns still get hand pumped...and as most of my shooting seems to be in short sessions, they (and the pumps) get the most use. When I want to fill one of the bigger volume guns, will go ahead and set up the compressor.  If I don't feel like bothering with either setting up the compressor or pumping, will grab either a co2 rifle or a springer.


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DaBick
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2019-06-24 21:29:53  

1,2 (for tethering CO2 guns)

i believe in self sustaining air systems for simplicity and safety. Good for your health too!

Drew


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Desert Silver
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2019-06-24 22:57:08  

1 and 3. Got real tired of pumping right off the bat so bought a china compressor


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TomR_here
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2019-06-25 02:32:07  

1 for the P-Rod Fill it back up, then fill the magazines to give time for the body to settle back down.

3 for the Gauntlet. Not doing that much pumping.


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Airguntunes
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2019-06-25 10:49:27  

3 with a 100CF SCBA Tank

airguntunes.com


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Jeff D
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2019-06-25 11:00:37  

3 and have a couple of tanks to fill. 1 for tethering, 1 normal (4500 psi) tank fills and a small one to take with me 

Used to hand pump. Then I moved my family myself (except for the big furniture) and worked with a guy to finish the basement. Quickly decided my next hobby investment would be a compressor. It's been 10 years since that move and my back still isn't as resilient as it was before that.

Worked out well for me. No breakdowns other than an oring from time to time on one of the heads. 5 min fix.

I still have my handpump, and it still works...


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ramcneal
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2019-06-25 13:45:38  

2.

I like the idea of having a compressor to fill my tanks, but I'm not sure it's worth it at this point in time.


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intenseaty22
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2019-06-25 21:15:16  

I have a SCBA that I fill with my own Altaros Booster.


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Franklink1
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2019-06-25 22:27:21  

Started out with a Benjamin pump, then a Hill pump, finally got a Shoebox and some scuba tanks. Was a handpump only PCP guy for 3 or so years. Kept the Hill and occasionally still use it on small volume guns and when I want to get my Veteran past the 3100psi that the shoebox is set at for the scuba tanks. That works out to a couple times per week. The hand pump is just easier when I'm shooting around the house and 50-60 strokes are all I need. The tanks are for going to matches or doing serious target work that's gonna use a lot of air. 


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ViKing
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2019-06-26 06:21:36  

Started out with a FX pump, then a quick jump to a scuba tank.  Several years after, I bought a CF 4500 tank from Joe and got refills at the local dive shop.  Last year I had an opportunity to purchase a used Bauer Oceanus, very convenient!  Me and my shooting buddy have unlimited supply of PCP air.


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rjoe
 rjoe
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2019-06-27 09:16:05  

Started at 1, one outing. At 2 now. Now have two 45 min SCBA tanks and fill at dive shop.


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DavidEnoch
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2019-06-27 09:30:10  

Started off with 2.  Then bought a ShoeBox.  Now I have a AirTex Mini Magnum compressor.

So, I am a big 3.

David Enoch


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pluric
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2019-06-27 09:59:09  

3, Bauer Junior II. Tried Chinese Mrod twin. Fool me once....


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kcatx
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Joined: 6 months ago
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2019-06-27 10:56:43  

Started with Benji pump, it quickly broke so I sent it back.  Got a G4 hadn pump clone (Taousa), set up boosting with a shop compressor for it.
Got a 3000psi scuba tank, then a Vevor compressor, then a 6.8L tank, then a Shoebox as the Vevor requires water and too much maintenance.  Have a 3L tank arriving today!


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phepler
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2019-06-27 12:10:10  

SCBA tank that I get filled at a sort-of-local dive shop. 
4500 tank lasts me about around 1000 shots. 
Unregulated Marauder at 18fpe with 13.4 gr .177 monsters


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ekmeister
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2019-06-27 13:43:54  

(FWIW, this should still be considered an open post thread and subject.  Now...).

I appreciate the specific selections, with explanatory notes, that each of you has posted. It was a little slow getting started, but at this point, we've already accumulated some good input.

There's a practical reason for my poll.  That is, it wasn't started out of mere curiosity.  I think it will prove to be useful for many in both the the near and distant future.

At some point in time, I plan to post a tally of the air charging method(s) you've selected.  Then other PCP owners, and prospective owners, can better see what their best choices might be, including why, and factor them into their plans.  Their choices affect their total cost of ownership.

A quick example: Someone has been exclusively-using a handpump, and it wears them out.  "Is it just me, or is this as hard to do as I think it is?"  We have some good info from several that can help provide a reality check--similar situation about tanks and compressors.

So, if this interests you for any reason, please check back from time to time to see the latest status.  You might like to see the tally, and I don't plan to wait that long before I post it.

However, even after the tally is made, I hope people will still give input.  Why?  The larger the testbed of selections and comments becomes, the more useful and informative it will become.  But for now, Thursday June 27, 2019, we already have some very-useful stats and several posts worth reviewing.  And, I WILL update the tally if the quantity of input suggests I do so.

BTW, if you don't usually or ever post, this could be a good place to start.  That way your input might be of some use to others a very-real way.  Besides, I find it to be an interesting read, myself. 

Thanks!

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

https://www.airguntunemeister.com/


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ekmeister
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2019-06-27 17:00:12  
Posted by: ViKing

Started out with a FX pump, then a quick jump to a scuba tank.  Several years after, I bought a CF 4500 tank from Joe and got refills at the local dive shop.  Last year I had an opportunity to purchase a used Bauer Oceanus, very convenient!  Me and my shooting buddy have unlimited supply of PCP air.

I wasn't familiar with that Bauer model, or any Bauer model for that matter, so I looked it up.  It appears you went the Cadillac route, maybe I should say Ferrari?  At least pricing for a brand new one appears to be that way.  Obviously, used pricing should be better than new to 'x' degree (I don't know the value of x when it comes to these compressors).  I checked their Junior model and that one's not cheap, either.  But, if it means you never have to worry about it breaking down, or DIY service is cheap and easy, I get it.

I thought there were brands and models that were cheaper, and I was right.  But a comment in this thread says the Benjamin version is 'less-than'.  If I was buying a compressor, it's obvious that I'd have to do a lot of research to find a good one suitable for 'coach seating'.

Thanks for the input!

 

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

https://www.airguntunemeister.com/


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Jim Bentley
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2019-06-27 18:14:10  

6k psi nitrogen tank. Inexpensive way to have clean power, a tank cost $75 to fill and lasts for about 18 months.

I use it on 4 or 5 different rifles.


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ekmeister
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2019-06-27 18:42:10  
Posted by: Jim Bentley

6k psi nitrogen tank. Inexpensive way to have clean power, a tank cost $75 to fill and lasts for about 18 months.

I use it on 4 or 5 different rifles.

I've read of the advantages of the tall, bulk-fill nitrogen tanks--price and moisture-free performance.  The phone company used to attach a hose to a buried cable to dry it out.  People would wonder why there was a tank sitting by the road, with a hose attached to a conduit, or down into a manhole, and I was told that's why.  In fact, I've read before, for some time now, about PCP guys using them to take advantage of the benefits, but I forgot.  And, everyone who shoots 'anything that shoots' has probably seen the words, "nitrogen purged" on their scope, and/or the literature that comes with it.  Same thing--displaces moisture (I know you already know this, it's just a comment and this seemed like a good place to put it).

Maybe I should have made that a 4th choice, since it's definitely not your run of the mill tank set-up.  But, we can leave it as a 'tank-fill' airsource choice for now.  Anyone can add the "nitrogen" comment to their post.   I think that's what you were implying, "#2, except...".  When the time comes to do a tally, I'll probably separate it then.

Thanks.

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

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Mike_Lenardon
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2019-06-27 20:16:04  

Originally #1

Currently #2

 


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Motorhead
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2019-06-27 23:17:13  

#2 starting out using my 3 80 cuft 3000 psi Scuba tanks fill at the local dive shop.   sadly not a lot of air because on 3k fill guns you get maybe 1 fill then down from there. Then needed to pay for 1000# top off at an empty tank rate.

 

Then went route #3 starting with a Shoebox, then an Alpha 90 and now a Nardi Atlantic 100 ... 3 for 3 damn I'm into this PCP thing deep !

4500 HPA cylinders now as well ( Small 90 cuin and a larger 66 cu ft )

Home of ... MOTORHEADS AG TUNING SERVICES
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ekmeister
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2019-06-27 23:33:49  
Posted by: Motorhead

#2 starting out using my 3 80 cuft 3000 psi Scuba tanks fill at the local dive shop.   sadly not a lot of air because on 3k fill guns you get maybe 1 fill then down from there. Then needed to pay for 1000# top off at an empty tank rate.

 

Then went route #3 starting with a Shoebox, then an Alpha 90 and now a Nardi Atlantic 100 ... 3 for 3 damn I'm into this PCP thing deep !

4500 HPA cylinders now as well ( Small 90 cuin and a larger 66 cu ft )

My curiosity was mostly about trying to see how many people were tired of using a hand pump.  I checked the price on the model you listed.  (!!!)  You guys are sure serious.  I can remember when the sticker shock was about the cost of an adult air gun itself, not the accessories you had to have to make them work.  Well, OK, maybe it included a scope, too, but that was pretty much it.

I know you CAN fill a PCP with a hand pump, and they're pretty cheap from what I've seen.  But from what I'm reading, not too many want to go that route for long. 

Of course, the more PCP rifles or pistols you have, the lesser the support cost becomes, I think.  (So, let me see, if you divide that air supply cost by 6 PCP's instead of 1, it really costs you less, not more--it's simple amortization.  You know, I think I sense a flaw in my reasoning, but I can't exactly put my finger on it).

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

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ViKing
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2019-06-28 07:29:33  
Posted by: ekmeister
Posted by: ViKing

Started out with a FX pump, then a quick jump to a scuba tank.  Several years after, I bought a CF 4500 tank from Joe and got refills at the local dive shop.  Last year I had an opportunity to purchase a used Bauer Oceanus, very convenient!  Me and my shooting buddy have unlimited supply of PCP air.

I wasn't familiar with that Bauer model, or any Bauer model for that matter, so I looked it up.  It appears you went the Cadillac route, maybe I should say Ferrari?  At least pricing for a brand new one appears to be that way.  Obviously, used pricing should be better than new to 'x' degree (I don't know the value of x when it comes to these compressors).  I checked their Junior model and that one's not cheap, either.  But, if it means you never have to worry about it breaking down, or DIY service is cheap and easy, I get it.

I thought there were brands and models that were cheaper, and I was right.  But a comment in this thread says the Benjamin version is 'less-than'.  If I was buying a compressor, it's obvious that I'd have to do a lot of research to find a good one suitable for 'coach seating'.

Thanks for the input!

The Oceanus I bought was several years old.  I don't think Bauer was making the Junior at the time.  The guy I bought it from was involved in servicing dive shop compressors--he had used it taking people out to Lake Superior on dive trips.  Even though its touted as a portable compressor, its very heavy and it took two people to load it in and out of my car.  I replaced the drive belt and it runs great.  I use non-oxy premium gas with a capful of Amsoil Quickshot in the gas tank.  I paid $2.7K for it

 


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Motorhead
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2019-06-28 10:20:26  
Posted by: ekmeister
Posted by: Motorhead

#2 starting out using my 3 80 cuft 3000 psi Scuba tanks fill at the local dive shop.   sadly not a lot of air because on 3k fill guns you get maybe 1 fill then down from there. Then needed to pay for 1000# top off at an empty tank rate.

 

Then went route #3 starting with a Shoebox, then an Alpha 90 and now a Nardi Atlantic 100 ... 3 for 3 damn I'm into this PCP thing deep !

4500 HPA cylinders now as well ( Small 90 cuin and a larger 66 cu ft )

My curiosity was mostly about trying to see how many people were tired of using a hand pump.  I checked the price on the model you listed.  (!!!)  You guys are sure serious.  I can remember when the sticker shock was about the cost of an adult air gun itself, not the accessories you had to have to make them work.  Well, OK, maybe it included a scope, too, but that was pretty much it.

I know you CAN fill a PCP with a hand pump, and they're pretty cheap from what I've seen.  But from what I'm reading, not too many want to go that route for long. 

Of course, the more PCP rifles or pistols you have, the lesser the support cost becomes, I think.  (So, let me see, if you divide that air supply cost by 6 PCP's instead of 1, it really costs you less, not more--it's simple amortization.  You know, I think I sense a flaw in my reasoning, but I can't exactly put my finger on it).

Own a brand spankin new Hill Mk3 hand pump and never used it .....  When the worlds power grid collapses, all PCP shooters will be using hand pumps .... LOL

Home of ... MOTORHEADS AG TUNING SERVICES
................... @ Northern California USA ....................
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TerryVanpool
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2019-06-28 13:13:11  

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It may cost more but it has topped off over 100, 90 cu ft tanks in the last 4 years with no breakdowns and if I sold it today I would lose less than the price of a cheap compressor.

The air it produces is clean and dry "breathing quality", and I get a 4500 psi fill every time.

Charter Member of "The Over the Hill Gang"


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