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SilentSquirrel
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2019-07-30 16:53:11  

I'm a spring gun shooter and have become reasonably proficient at the Artillery Hold & attendant details of find the sight, sight picture, the cheek, the grip, the squeeze, the follow through and the POI.

The more I shoot the more the hold becomes natural for me.

Although I must admit that the new Benjamin Mayhem 22 Nitro Piston has taken 250 rounds, (dealing with loose stock screws & loose iron sight sight screws along the way) for the rifle & I to break each other in.

To the point however.

There is a new (replaced by ATI) Nova Freedom on the way to me this week

When shooting a PCP rifle is there any reason not to continue using the Artillery Hold?

FYI

I'm an iron sights shooter; with a commitment not to use a scope until until the basic open sights skills are acquired

Old fashioned, yes!

But when you're older than dirt, so what!!

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Ed

 

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Faucetguy
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2019-07-30 18:04:07  

Nope keep doin what works


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ekmeister
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2019-07-30 18:54:50  
Posted by: @silentsquirrel

I'm a spring gun shooter and have become reasonably proficient at the Artillery Hold & attendant details of find the sight, sight picture, the cheek, the grip, the squeeze, the follow through and the POI.

The more I shoot the more the hold becomes natural for me...

...To the point however.

There is a new (replaced by ATI) Nova Freedom on the way to me this week

When shooting a PCP rifle is there any reason not to continue using the Artillery Hold?

Best

Ed

Although I've done a pretty-fair amount of successful springer shooting, my shooting experience with PCP's is limited, as will be my advice regarding your question.  So, I expect others with more experience will comment accordingly.

However, to the point, I can't see that using the artillery hold when shooting a PCP will HURT much of anything.   Well, unless, perhaps, not having a slightly firmer grip/hold on the PCP's stock might give you less accuracy than you could obtain with it, otherwise (I.e. artillery hold = very-loose grip).  I also wonder if using the A.H. might tie-down your mind with no-payback busy work that could wear you out sooner than needed when spending time with a PCP.  That is, at least in my case, I have to remind myself of the 'artillery hold credo' every so-many shots for the entire duration of a springer outing.

But, I think I may see an implication you're making, although I didn't read it in your words: By using the artillery hold for every long gun you shoot, you won't have forgotten the technique when you switch back to shooting a springer.  Thus, I can see where that might offer you an advantage.

I'll make only a scant few exceptions as to things you definitely shouldn't change, no matter which type of gun you're shooting: the same habit of using a consistent follow-through regarding the sight picture will equally-reward you in shooting either type of air gun. In fact, maintaining a follow-through in sports endeavors is pretty-much universally-advantageous.  That means, not only for shooting guns, but for throwing a baseball, swinging a golf club, shooting a basketball or a bow and arrow--you name it.  So, when shooting a PCP, by all means keep that follow through, just as you would when shooting a springer.  For shooting, of course, that tends to mean maintaining your sight picture as much as possible for a slight interval after you pull the trigger.  And, speaking of triggers, using the same, non-jerky, always-linear-squeeze technique can indeed be a real accuracy booster, or at least it has been for me.  

I don't know how valuable my advice above will prove to be, but this will probably get things started.

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

https://www.airguntunemeister.com/


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DavidEnoch
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2019-07-30 20:03:57  

I think the main advantages of the artillery hold are that it lessons the chance of grip or trigger pull influencing the shot and that it encourages you to hold the rifle still through the entire shot cycle.  For shooting springer, I think holding your hands still through the shot cycle is the most important skill to learn. 

The main reason not to use the artillery hold is if you also shoot high powered firearms.  Sooner or later the learned skill of the artillery hold is going to lead to a cut up eye or a broken nose.

David Enoch

 


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Hector J Medina G
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2019-08-01 15:49:05  
Posted by: @silentsquirrel

I'm a spring gun shooter and have become reasonably proficient at the Artillery Hold & attendant details of find the sight, sight picture, the cheek, the grip, the squeeze, the follow through and the POI.

The more I shoot the more the hold becomes natural for me.

Although I must admit that the new Benjamin Mayhem 22 Nitro Piston has taken 250 rounds, (dealing with loose stock screws & loose iron sight sight screws along the way) for the rifle & I to break each other in.

To the point however.

There is a new (replaced by ATI) Nova Freedom on the way to me this week

When shooting a PCP rifle is there any reason not to continue using the Artillery Hold?

FYI

I'm an iron sights shooter; with a commitment not to use a scope until until the basic open sights skills are acquired

Old fashioned, yes!

But when you're older than dirt, so what!!

Best

Ed

 

It really depends on the PCP in question.

On one end, my Steyrs will shoot very well with the artillery hold.

On the other,  my Talon will open up like a shotgun.

Steyr's hammers weigh between 10 and 20 grams, the Talon's almost 200

Both guns can yield between 12 and 30 ft-lbs, but regardless of the power level being used, the grip for each one needs to be the same.

Now, that does NOT mean that I use my Steyrs with the Artillery hold.

You will need to test between these two extremes where your gun likes to be held. In ALL cases, consistency is more important than grip force applied.

HTH

 

 

 

 

HM


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