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Cswilliams1963
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2019-09-13 22:12:55  

Hey y'all. Any thoughts on the possibility of open sights on a Marauder? Is it possible? 


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Doug Wall
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2019-09-14 08:36:49  

Almost everything is possible. Do a Google search.


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dave cole
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2019-09-14 16:52:05  

Curious as to why? 


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SilentSquirrel
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2019-09-14 20:04:38  
Posted by: @cswilliams1963

Hey y'all. Any thoughts on the possibility of open sights on a Marauder? Is it possible? 

I asked that same question on Amazon

The reply from Crosman was that it would not work because of the floating barrel.

We, in this household, are iron sights shooters.

It's not that scopes are forbidden; but mastering iron sights is a requirement before moving laterally to a scope.

I personally enjoy the concentration & calm that iron sights  bring to the shooter.

Especially on break barrels

They also make you look like a marksman with any PCP worth owning

 

Ed

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Kidpellet
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2019-09-15 20:12:14  

It could be done. If you had one with the new pic rail there are aftermarket sights already out there for that. If not maybe the old Williams rear sight would fit the dovetail rail. Then you could see about 3d printing a clamp on front sight for the shroud. The "floating" barrel wouldn't even know its there

Ray Barnett


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Jim in SWMO
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2019-09-15 22:17:47  
Posted by: @silentsquirrel
Posted by: @cswilliams1963

Hey y'all. Any thoughts on the possibility of open sights on a Marauder? Is it possible? 

I asked that same question on Amazon

The reply from Crosman was that it would not work because of the floating barrel.

Ed

Open sights won't work with a floating barrel yet a scope will??? I'd like to hear their reasoning behind that.

Kidpellet is on the right track. There is a company or two out there that make clamp-on, barrel band style, front sight bases for guns without provisions for a front sight. Unfortunately, I can't remember who the companies are that make them. But this type of topic (opens sights on a no sights gun) has come up before so maybe somebody else will remember and chime in with more info.

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KW
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2019-09-16 08:19:59  

I have been wanting this for years for my Marauder, Kalibr, and Weihrauch PCPs.  Here's why:

1) Open sights let you solve wandering zero problem by removing the scope from the calculation.  That way you can determine if you have a bad valve, seal, barrel or pellet fit....or just a bad scope.

2) Faster target acquisition at any distance on moving targets.  Wanted to shoot a wood chuck running across the yard to his hole when I was not prepared.  Scope power was too high, focussed at the wrong distance, no time to make adjustments.  Woodchuck got away.

Those who say that open sights don't let you discover the potential for a PCP have not seen olympic air rifle competitors....or seen me shoot my non-airguns with open sights.

Having the option is nicer than not.

As for sights...a rear sight would be easy to put on the rail, but the front sight could be a problem.  I would start with a glued on front sight.  

Frankly it should be easy to print a front sight that replaces the baffle plug.  Maybe the sight could be a separate piece that could rotate freely and be clamped by the baffle plug.  

You would need a witness mark on the shroud to align the sight.  Maybe a notch in the front edge of the shroud that a freely rotating front sight would key into with a small knob.  

Because of the lines of the gun from the rail to the muzzle, the front sight would have to be very high and subject to snapping off.

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DonC
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2019-09-16 21:21:04  

@kw

Go to Newenglandairguns.com. They sell sights for any PCP.

They have a pic of a Maurauder equipped. The system mounts to the scope rail.


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KW
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2019-09-17 06:34:14  
Posted by: @donc

@kw

Go to Newenglandairguns.com. They sell sights for any PCP.

They have a pic of a Maurauder equipped. The system mounts to the scope rail.

Thanks for that.  In the url, 'airgun' is singular:

https://www.newenglandairgun.com/open_sightsforpcp.html

I see they solved the need for an xtra high front sight by putting both sights on a rail:

With a sight radius that small....I would just add a red dot sight like I have on a non-air pistol and a non-air rifle.

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SilentSquirrel
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2019-09-17 07:28:17  
Posted by: @kw
Posted by: @donc

@kw

Go to Newenglandairguns.com. They sell sights for any PCP.

They have a pic of a Maurauder equipped. The system mounts to the scope rail.

Thanks for that.  In the url, 'airgun' is singular:

https://www.newenglandairgun.com/open_sightsforpcp.html

I see they solved the need for an xtra high front sight by putting both sights on a rail:

With a sight radius that small....I would just add a red dot sight like I have on a non-air pistol and a non-air rifle.

If it were my gun that choice would be unacceptable.

Considering the rise off the barrel & the short distance from front to rear sight there are too many compromises in accuracy across a wide range of distance to the target.

Just my 2 scents

 

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Jim in SWMO
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2019-09-17 23:26:32  

Have a look at this clamp-on front sight I found. And one of the reviews (dated May 16, 2019) does say they're using it on a Marauder. So maybe this would work for a front sight.

https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Front-Mossberg-Shotgun-Variant/dp/B00MYZ9XBG/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_200_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KBMGGPNYVRCWM8A7XQXQ

Not sure if this would work on a Marauder with that front sight, but this is the recommended rear sight to use with it. Downside is you may need a dovetail adapter (like the $10 UTG MNT-DT2PW01) in order to mount it. But at least you wouldn't be out too much money if it didn't work out.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Sub-compact-Sight-Shotguns-Rifles/dp/B00S0QVK4G/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2/144-6088081-1209454?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00S0QVK4G&pd_rd_r=4a8e6c5d-d1cc-4c9f-a7f6-0471468819cd&pd_rd_w=I4yGO&pd_rd_wg=iPLoK&pf_rd_p=a2006322-0bc0-4db9-a08e-d168c18ce6f0&pf_rd_r=YNJA398CXB8JQYPAEBJA&psc=1&refRID=YNJA398CXB8JQYPAEBJA

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SilentSquirrel
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2019-09-18 07:56:01  
Posted by: @jim-in-swmo

Have a look at this clamp-on front sight I found. And one of the reviews (dated May 16, 2019) does say they're using it on a Marauder. So maybe this would work for a front sight.

https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Front-Mossberg-Shotgun-Variant/dp/B00MYZ9XBG/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_200_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KBMGGPNYVRCWM8A7XQXQ

Not sure if this would work on a Marauder with that front sight, but this is the recommended rear sight to use with it. Downside is you may need a dovetail adapter (like the $10 UTG MNT-DT2PW01) in order to mount it. But at least you wouldn't be out too much money if it didn't work out.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Sub-compact-Sight-Shotguns-Rifles/dp/B00S0QVK4G/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2/144-6088081-1209454?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00S0QVK4G&pd_rd_r=4a8e6c5d-d1cc-4c9f-a7f6-0471468819cd&pd_rd_w=I4yGO&pd_rd_wg=iPLoK&pf_rd_p=a2006322-0bc0-4db9-a08e-d168c18ce6f0&pf_rd_r=YNJA398CXB8JQYPAEBJA&psc=1&refRID=YNJA398CXB8JQYPAEBJA

Thanks @jim-in-swmo

You have made an excellent find

Had I known about this front sight there are many guns out there that would have become mine.

I just ordered one to try out fitting around 1" (24mm) diameter silencers

It looks as if the clamp may spread; and I like front sights as far froward as possible.

 

About the rear sight

The pictures show it mounted across a slotted (Picatinny or Weaver) rail

It my actually slip right onto the rail on the Marauder

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jim in SWMO
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2019-09-18 08:27:36  

@silentsquirrel

I hope that front sight works out for you. Be sure to let us know how it goes as I'm sure there are others who would be interested in something like this.

As for that rear sight. I guess it depends on whether or not your Marauder has a Weaver rail on it. If it does then it would be a straight bolt on job. But if it has the standard dovetail rail those UTG adapters would be a good option to let you try it. My main concern would be whether or not it would be the right height to work properly with the front sight. Being this is for a Marauder it's kind of new territory for something like this, as far as I know.

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DonC
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2019-09-18 16:14:51  

I  am sooooo interested in this topic. I love iron sights and have many high end PCP's with a moderator. I hope us guys can talk about this until we find a kit that works for all or most non-front sight PCPs.

I posted the idea about newenglandairgun, site, but I agree the length of sight picture is short. A front sight clamp seems good BUT the link is limited to 22mm. On the same sight they have another "open bottom sight that says for shotguns. I don't know what dia that would be but it might span to various close diameters since it clamps from the top with open bottom. Unlike the 22mm sight,there appears to be no adjustment for the blade height.

Iron sight rule!!!!!    We gotta get this figured out. Let's do some internet research.


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SilentSquirrel
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2019-09-18 17:11:22  

@donc

Donc

I looked on Amazon & on the Leapers site ad could not find the open bottomed sight you are referring to.

When you have a moment please post a link

 

Now for some preaching to the choir

With a diopter sight if you can see it you can shoot it

 

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DonC
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2019-09-18 20:21:34  

Sorry, forget the open bottom post. I screwed up.


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KW
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2019-10-03 07:24:31  

So....been looking for a reflex sight without a mounting clamp made specifically for a Weaver or Picatinny slotted rail.  Can't find one.  

My UltraDot, SightMark and Browning sights all have the bar as part of the clamp.  Rather than add a Weaver strip to the top of my rail I thought I would see who has a red dot/reflex sight on a standard airgun rail.

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TomR_here
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2019-10-10 17:40:15  

A co-worker that bought the Crosman F4 NP break-barrel off me, expressed interest in doing open sights on it.

Showed him the picture above of the Marauder with them on, and he is all about getting that kit. Really liked it, a lot.

I'll post back if he does actually get it.


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