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Droidiphile
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2019-07-01 14:23:52  

So today the law requiring background checks for ammo in sunny CA have officially been engaged and enforced.  So far, airgun ammo is unaffected as are airguns.  I have stated in this forum before though, that my city has ruled that airguns are "firearms".  So by changing the definition, they can say all "firearms" laws apply to airguns. 

Now, on one level, this does not bother me at all because I will easily pass the background check.  I work for the CA Prison system so I have been deeply vetted. 

What I cannot ascertain is the system for actually doing the background check.  I have heard everything from it being a high speed computer system that responds in seconds, similar to checking your credit card, to the more typical 3 day waiting period.  No firm information yet.  So, you better plan ahead just in case.

My second concern is if the rules my city has created are adopted across the state.  Our pellets would then require background checks.  If my city forces us to have background checks, I'll post an update.  And how will online sites process the check?


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awilde
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2019-07-08 09:06:02  
Posted by: mildot 52
Posted by: pluric

I have a clean background. what are the rest of you so worried about???  

If I had the power I would deal with people like you by putting cameras in every room in your house including the bathrooms. if you got nothing to hide what is the problem? 

You never know, if they're using an Android or Alexa Google and Amazon may already have you beat there.


HOOT
 HOOT
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2019-07-09 20:21:15  
Posted by: mildot 52
Posted by: pluric

I have a clean background. what are the rest of you so worried about???  

If I had the power I would deal with people like you by putting cameras in every room in your house including the bathrooms. if you got nothing to hide what is the problem? 

 

Isn't there a Proposition 666, pending in California, that proposes just that for all male residents?  It declares all males automatically "guilty", regardless of innocence, and requires new building permits to be withheld pending the installation of state-owned web cams in every room, allowing the Republik of Kalifornia to monitor all in-home activities...as a pre-emptive crime measure???  

But what do I know...just a simple Texas boy, moved to Arkansas...trying to keep up with social changes.

 

Hoot

 


daveshoot
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2019-07-09 21:07:28  

No. While such a measure is plausible, that seems to be fake news. The ancient provisions of 666 actual deal with increasing punishment for prior offenders.

California is actually moving away from these types of compounding offenses, because the jails are already overcrowded.

https://www.shouselaw.com/petty-theft-prior.html


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-10 07:58:28  

Someone should call the nurse as my bedpan is full!

Stay safe and free..


TerryE1
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2019-07-17 14:39:03  

Does the CA lead ban apply to private property?


Droidiphile
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2019-07-17 16:44:31  
Posted by: @terrye1

Does the CA lead ban apply to private property?

Yes it does.  "Public and Private" is the key term.  Target practice with lead ammo is fine.  It only applies to "game", which includes rodents and varmints.  Like I said above, I kill the creek rats near my house with lead-free pellets, so I am in compliance.  Mmmm ... roasted rat on a stick, yum! 

I wonder?  A rhetorical question, of course, but could a murderer be give an additional charge for using lead ammo?  Can that person be given a 3rd strike for using lead ammo? (In CA, 3rd strikes can be assigned even if it is a wimpy 3rd felony.)


Hooligan
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2019-07-18 00:15:41  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but,I believe the lead ban is only with regards to powder burners and believe air rifles are exempt at this time????

Perhaps a phone call to the fish and game is in order.

Cheers

 

 


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-18 07:47:56  

Correct

Stay safe and free..


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 KW
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2019-07-18 09:32:28  

In other news some 70 people were killed and injured today in Japan when a lunatic set fire to an anime studio.  No gun, no knife, no barbed hook.  Just a can of gas, a lighter, and a mental illness.

EXPERIENCE, n. The wisdom that enables us to recognize as an undesirable old acquaintance the folly that we have already embraced.


Droidiphile
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2019-07-18 14:47:33  
Posted by: @hooligan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but,I believe the lead ban is only with regards to powder burners and believe air rifles are exempt at this time????

Perhaps a phone call to the fish and game is in order.

Cheers

 

 

Statewide, you are correct ... unless you live in my city, Pinole, CA.  Read above: my city has defined airguns (and blowguns) as "firearms", therefore, the lead ban and the background check for ammo both apply to airguns and pellets.  All ammo sales in Pinole must be "in-store purchases" to ensure the face to face background check.  It's bizarre to me...  Other participants here have said their cities have enacted similar legislation.


Hooligan
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2019-07-18 15:36:39  

Droidiphile, thanks to enlightening me. I was not aware of this particular issue you and others face in our state. To say it's sad would be stating it mildly! 

Perhaps it's time to quarantine our state before this disease spreads to surround areas! Just my opinion and how I venture to see it! Just my two cents and probably not worth much more.

Cheers


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-19 20:44:59  

OK....The following regulations in the city of Pinole, CA identify air powered arms in the same sentence when talking about firearms. 

Read it carefully.

Most cities have regulations such as these.

The bedpan changer at the Vacaville Mental Hospital should chill out....IMHO:

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Stay safe and free..


daveshoot
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2019-07-19 21:09:54  

I am very sorry to hear about Pinole, which I had to Google to find. It is in the part of California that would be sawed off either by legal or seismic action and I would hate to be there, although I am pleased you can afford it.

Living out here in the unincorporated areas of SoCal provides a deceptively blissful insulation from your whacko neighbots, but it is only a matter of time. It is all creeping this way. 

I have some green ammo but no condors to try it on. If it grouped as well as lead I could blast a couple GS and leave 'em out for them out for our noble vultures to scavenge, but I can't get this experiment funded. I actually appreciate scavengers here in the back county and don't shoot crows for that reason.

Random thoughts, no reason to respond. Got any gophers?


crazyhorse
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2019-07-22 23:27:11  

@daveshoot

How are you  ?...been awhile..

You are right about east county and where I'm at there is no land left to "squeeze" any more in. Plus I can shoot (pellet guns) in my back yard without fear as there are no homes due to the steep slope behind us. Not to mention 2600 acres of conservatory land from Hwy 8 to Harbison Canyon.

Right now the state has a real problem  getting backgrounds done for ammo sales. They simply were not ready..kinda like the DMV mess....


ig720
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2019-07-23 08:06:02  

Isn't it illegal to release hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and methane combine with hydrogen sulfide in CA?


daveshoot
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2019-07-23 21:25:23  

@crazyhorse

Still kicking, can't complain. Miss you, think you had the Hammerli 850 that I ended up talking a work colleague into. He lives in Oceanside, had a pest problem, and I recommended a shroud as well. He got the whole rig and was pretty happy with the results. Fit his casual pest needs perfectly. So you have had a long reach and I thank you for that.

This has been the Year of the Rat around here, so I am just blasting them, gophers as usual, and the occasional GS cull. I don't get much time for recreational shooting.


crazyhorse
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2019-07-23 22:22:58  

@daveshoot

Yep, still have all three of my 850's..(one CO2 .177, and  HPA  .177/.22 ...plus I've added a Marauder .25 and some other rifles.

I have not been doing much shooting as I'm care giver to my wife...I can take her out golfing, but not hunting.

Here is pic of my 850's...


Gratewhitehuntr
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2019-07-24 20:17:32  

No gophers, can't even remember when, unless we count 13 lined round squirrels?

Maybe never?

 

Stubborn queen-B hen hatched a bunch of peeps, all the Marans get broody, even Marans mixes.

Need to cull 12 roos before they get noisy.

 

I just got a mess of 9oz, 12oz, and 20oz paintball co2 bottles, plus  6 or 8 guns.

Co2 bottle is on the welding cart empty...

 

Shooting is limited to 5-10 squirrels peer week, sometime lizards and tree frogs with Red Ryder.

We ate 3 gals of Jaboticaba his year, not because I share with the tree rats.

 

 

I still want an 850, but there is a Marauder w/ bullpup stock sitting here un-shot for a whole year!

There you have it, the world according to John.


Droidiphile
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2019-07-25 15:32:22  
Posted by: @frank-in-fairfield

OK....The following regulations in the city of Pinole, CA identify air powered arms in the same sentence when talking about firearms. 

Read it carefully.

Most cities have regulations such as these.

The bedpan changer at the Vacaville Mental Hospital should chill out....IMHO:

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Like Frank states, read it carefully.  Section B states "in certain designated areas".  To my knowledge, there are no designated areas.  As for "approved by the chief of police", there was a group of us trying to get approval for an indoor airgun range a few years back.  We had a serious proposal with limits on FSP and caliber as a prelude to seeking contributors.  It was dead in the water.  We should have expected that based upon the rather restrictive laws that Frank so kindly posted as a graphic.  A fellow named Gang is now the chief of police.  We may try again with the new leadership in place.


crazyhorse
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2019-07-25 21:30:18  

@gratewhitehuntr

I have to shoot a few squirrels on the hill behind my home just to keep rattlesnakes in control. They go right down into the burrows for the young squirrels...

My very first pellet gun was an 850 CO2 .177. Very accurate and I used it to take squirrels on my friends horse ranch.  I still have it today.


Gratewhitehuntr
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2019-07-26 10:28:38  
Posted by: @crazyhorse

My very first pellet gun was an 850 CO2 .177. Very accurate and I used it to take squirrels on my friends horse ranch.  I still have it today.

Wow, when was that?

I had a RR and 760 Pumpmaster, back in the 80s.

 

My fruit trees are exotic stuff, sells for $3-$6/Lb at the market, heck, people on FaceBook are selling JUNK like mangoes for $5/Lb YOU PICK.

The Asian store has already offered $4/Lb for Longan, they pick, entire tree.

A squirrel can easily ruin while testing (hey, never seen these!) or drop $10-50 of fruit in a single day.

 

My first springer (not counting B3) was a Benji Nitro piston, I shot 13 squirrels in 2 days off a SINGLE bunch of totally ruined bananas.

With extreme prejudice.

Squirrels make good live-trap bait, trot line, or chicken feed if boiled.

There you have it, the world according to John.


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