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Droidiphile
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2019-07-01 14:23:52  

So today the law requiring background checks for ammo in sunny CA have officially been engaged and enforced.  So far, airgun ammo is unaffected as are airguns.  I have stated in this forum before though, that my city has ruled that airguns are "firearms".  So by changing the definition, they can say all "firearms" laws apply to airguns. 

Now, on one level, this does not bother me at all because I will easily pass the background check.  I work for the CA Prison system so I have been deeply vetted. 

What I cannot ascertain is the system for actually doing the background check.  I have heard everything from it being a high speed computer system that responds in seconds, similar to checking your credit card, to the more typical 3 day waiting period.  No firm information yet.  So, you better plan ahead just in case.

My second concern is if the rules my city has created are adopted across the state.  Our pellets would then require background checks.  If my city forces us to have background checks, I'll post an update.  And how will online sites process the check?


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ekmeister
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2019-07-01 15:13:06  
Posted by: Droidiphile

So today the law requiring background checks for ammo in sunny CA have officially been engaged and enforced.  So far, airgun ammo is unaffected as are airguns... 

...So, you better plan ahead just in case...

...If my city forces us to have background checks, I'll post an update.  And how will online sites process the check?...

I'll be interested to hear what happens, since California is often the test bed or model for changes elsewhere.  Automobile emission standards, and banned chemicals come to mind (to name just a few things).  

I'm in Texas.  We got air guns approved for small game hunting not too long ago, and at modest power levels nonetheless.  In other words, you don't have to have a monster PCP, or even a very-high-powered springer to be legal.  So, in that area the regulations took a step forward here.  But, of course, that's not always the directions things go.

Thus, updates will be greatly appreciated, just in case.

Safe and Happy Shooting!

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Motorhead
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2019-07-01 16:19:12  

Not sure ... but did not the LEAD BAN also go into effect July 1 ?

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Talldog
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2019-07-01 19:41:59  
Posted by: Droidiphile

So today the law requiring background checks for ammo in sunny CA have officially been engaged and enforced.  So far, airgun ammo is unaffected as are airguns.  I have stated in this forum before though, that my city has ruled that airguns are "firearms".  So by changing the definition, they can say all "firearms" laws apply to airguns. 

Now, on one level, this does not bother me at all because I will easily pass the background check.  I work for the CA Prison system so I have been deeply vetted. 

What I cannot ascertain is the system for actually doing the background check.  I have heard everything from it being a high speed computer system that responds in seconds, similar to checking your credit card, to the more typical 3 day waiting period.  No firm information yet.  So, you better plan ahead just in case.

My second concern is if the rules my city has created are adopted across the state.  Our pellets would then require background checks.  If my city forces us to have background checks, I'll post an update.  And how will online sites process the check?

Background checks for ammunition ?  Now that is really, really weird, stupid, ineffective, and downright laughable. Only in California … but hey, I'm from Canada and we could be next considering our snowflake self proclaimed feminist Prime Minister.


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2019-07-01 20:18:36  

I am currently looking at my concealed gun handbook and it states.... Under federal law, a firearm is defined as "any weapon (including a starter gun)which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive"

18 U.S.C. S921(a) (3)

Not surprised California would change that though.


dave cole
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2019-07-01 22:16:47  

And I’ve been ask why anyone would want to live in Oklahoma....


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2019-07-01 22:23:38  
Posted by: dave cole

And I’ve been ask why anyone would want to live in Oklahoma....

If we were smart enough, we would all move en mass to CA & NY & start voting. 


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pluric
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2019-07-01 22:37:54  

I have a clean background. what are the rest of you so worried about??? 🤣 


ekmeister
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2019-07-01 23:24:22  
Posted by: pluric

I have a clean background. what are the rest of you so worried about??? 🤣 

I'm not worried per se, as in the sense of being guilty of a crime, (although I did have a traffic ticket once).  But, I have had a glimpse into how these things can work out sometimes when it comes to government offices, regulations, and bureaucracies. 

Suppose there's a crime in your neighborhood, like a theft, and either you're the one who phoned it in, or you were interviewed by the police when they came out to ask what happened to a neighbor 3 doors down.  You weren't involved in any way, except trying to help your neighbor.  But, now your name's on the report. 

If you think that doesn't necessarily mean anything, you just haven't been down that road yet. Some bureaucracy does a search on your name and it pops up in reference to a robbery.  No details other than that, and that might not look too good. That could get you declined when you try to get ammunition, etc.

Again if it seems like I'm overreacting here, it's happened before, or something very similar has, I can guarantee you. Being a good Samaritan is usually the right thing to do, but sometimes it comes with a price.

But, I'm not worried about this yet in any way. I just said I'd like to hear of any updates that come to the fore.  I think that covers it.

Safe and Happy Shooting!

Ed, the Airgun TuneMeister

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Rohmpm
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2019-07-02 21:49:02  

You have to recognize the motive in taxifornia. First, they get a dollar everytime you buy ammunition. Second, and perhaps more important to the gun grabbers, they have an idea of what types of firearms you possess. 


Pistoleer
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2019-07-02 22:22:31  

1st change  is the ban on lead for hunting any animal in California- it includes possession of lead ammunition, just like possessing a barbed hook in a barbless zone? So if you are out camping and carry a .44 mag for bear and other predator protection, if it's rabbit, quail, or dove season, it better be non lead ammo.

Which is not so onerous, except that all of my loads are worked up for lead bullets. Not to mention the 1-2M rounds of rimfire (which need to be non lead if in possession) that I have . There are two exclusions- I believe CCW's are except for their personal self defense gun. Secondly, Fish and Game officially calls all air rifles and pistols non firearms, and are not forced to comply with the non lead ban. So we've got that going for us. 

Here is the link for the ammo check options https://crpa.org/ammo-background-checks/

Here is the flow chart

ScreenHunter 5521 Jul. 02 20.13

The additional hitch that California created is that many Cal drivers licenses are not "real" Id's- California allows issuance of California drivers licenses to illegal aliens and by default, for a little bit, would also issue non federally recognized Id's for drivers licenses to all drivers, unless said applicant requested a "real" id. However, California won't accept this non real Id's for ammo purchases.

Right now, Cal DMV is a mess trying to dig themselves out of this hole- Airplane travel will be requiring real id's as well, so many Californian's need to reapply for a new license, with a passport or original copy of their birth certificate.

Again, I'm not moving- let the others leave. I'll keep voting, keep trying to educate others and not surrender or hide.

Leaving just mutes the rational voices even more...Besides- Nevada, Montana, Utah- guess where all the liberals are moving to? All of America can be subverted by an influx of bad ideas; right now, it just happens to be here, & so it's our battle for now.


Arch_E
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2019-07-03 07:42:29  

Lot of good folks in California! I lived there for a while, getting my education and working there for about 6 years. It's a very mixed bag with people and gov't facing many issues (like managing the population of about seven other states, excluding states with mega-cities). 

 

Wishing you guys the best that are staying and working to make it better there!

 

Arch_E


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-03 07:42:37  

You may have lead ammunition in your possession as long as you do not have the firearm capable of using it with you.

Too, I would like to know the name of the California town that says air powered arms are firearms..

Waiting.. 

Stay safe and free..


straitflite
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2019-07-03 09:19:50  

If we were smart enough, we would all move en mass to CA & NY & start voting.

….can't do it. Like so many other things in CA, voting causes cancer and birth defects as per Prop. 65. I guess the rest of us are expendable? 🤣 

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Pistoleer
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2019-07-03 10:22:05  

Hey Frank,

municipal codes don't have to mimic federal or state codes- Chula Vista's definition is below . Concord and Vallejo are the same, I believe.

10.72.020 Firearms—Defined.permanent link to this piece of content

For the purposes of this chapter "firearm" shall mean and include a "rifle," "shotgun," "pistol," "revolver," and any other instrument which expels a metallic projectile, such as a BB or pellet, through the force of gunpowder, explosive, air pressure, CO2 pressure, or spring action, or any spot marker gun.


Skip in WV
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2019-07-03 10:40:28  

Slingshots are next. Arrows have metal tips. Better include those too.


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-03 11:34:51  
Posted by: Pistoleer

Hey Frank,

municipal codes don't have to mimic federal or state codes- Chula Vista's definition is below . Concord and Vallejo are the same, I believe.

10.72.020 Firearms—Defined.permanent link to this piece of content

For the purposes of this chapter "firearm" shall mean and include a "rifle," "shotgun," "pistol," "revolver," and any other instrument which expels a metallic projectile, such as a BB or pellet, through the force of gunpowder, explosive, air pressure, CO2 pressure, or spring action, or any spot marker gun.

That regulation deals with bicycles...

When Diana Feinstein tried to outlaw handguns (not hers) when she was the mayor of San Francisco, the governor had to remind her that San Francisco was in the state of California and the constitution of California prevails... 

 

Chapter 9 in Chula Vista applies to firearms...

The lead restriction in the Republik deals with hunting and nothing else. If I am walking through the woods and carry a .22 lr, .357, .44 magnum on my hip, that is my business. 

Only when hunting does the ridiculous lead restriction apply..

Stay safe and free..


Pistoleer
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2019-07-03 15:26:40  

Gotcha-  I was replying to your comment:

"Too, I would like to know the name of the California town that says air powered arms are firearms..

Waiting.."

Turns out, many towns do so, fairly or not...


Droidiphile
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2019-07-04 14:44:16  
Posted by: Motorhead

Not sure ... but did not the LEAD BAN also go into effect July 1 ?

Yup.  The lead ammo ban took full effect July 1.  That being said, it had been getting phased in since late 2013.  Key elements are "private and public lands" and "game hunting."  Game hunting has been expended to include varmints and rodents, not just the trophy animals.  Exceptions exist for law enforcement and military personnel.  It's a good thing I kill the creek rats with lead-free pellets! 

As for the background check law as implemented in my city, a tiny update: all ammunition sales as of now are "in store only".  Ditto for airgun pellets.  This is to ensure a face to face presence for the background check.  The fact that my local politicians lumped pellets in with powder based ammo is not really a surprise based upon their past decisions.  It's okay.  I get a better deal from Pyramyd anyway.

For Pistoleer's and Frank's comment above: statutes in my city, Pinole, have lumped guns, airguns, blow guns, BB guns as "firearms" - and "firearms" may NOT be discharged within city limits. What's weird to me is that they bothered with blow guns.  I mean, since when are gangs of blow gun wielding mobs causing a ruckus?  HEADLINES:  Gang of Blow Gun Wielding Youth Force School Bus Driver to Divert to Ice Cream Parlour - details at 6.


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-04 19:49:32  

I guess we in California should start leading instead of following.

Vote the POS out of office.

Stay safe and free..


Pistoleer
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2019-07-04 20:58:33  

Scott, next time we shoot together, I've got story from my days in the Ranger battalion, re:  1/2" pvc pipe and a knitting needle "dart". 

A blow gun from hell, it was!

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wormbobskey
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2019-07-05 09:48:53  

Democrats are destroying California. Hopefully they will be voted out of office once people open their eyes and see how corrupt their politicians really are. Especially Feinstein and polosie. 


DaBick
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2019-07-05 11:20:24  

My Goodness!

i for one will not be moving to California to help turn the libtard tide. What do you think one of the purposes of “sanctuary cities” is? To increase voters to their side.

As the song goes: Got to “know when to holdem/foldem”


DAS
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2019-07-05 13:34:59  

You really can't blame the politicians. They don't vote themselves into office. The citizens of California are getting exactly what they voted for...Put the blame where it belongs.


Frank in Fairfield
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2019-07-05 16:00:35  

The problem.....

Hardly anyone votes at the polls.

Absentee ballots are filled out and mailed in by the stay-at-home spouses.

I accused the shooters in Arizona of that:

Their wives filling out there absentee ballots.

No one said that I was wrong.

I mean how could a anti-gun government get in place in Arizona, Colorado, Oregon and, California if men were voting?

Makes no difference to me. I am soon to be 74, retired from the USAF, FAA.

I do what I want and go where I want...

If the rest of you want to give up your rights, fine..

Stay safe and free..


Droidiphile
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2019-07-05 16:05:02  
Posted by: Pistoleer

Scott, next time we shoot together, I've got story from my days in the Ranger battalion, re:  1/2" pvc pipe and a knitting needle "dart". 

A blow gun from hell, it was!

ScreenHunter 5524 Jul. 04 18.57

This is hilarious!  Ya know, it would be hard to take over a plane or rob a bank with a blow gun.  I mean, you could not speak and brandish the weapon at the same time....

When I think of blow guns, I think of the South American native peoples who used curare dipped darts in their blow guns.  Or maybe Ninjas form the movies.  That photo has changed my perspective! 😀 


chrisT
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2019-07-06 13:37:33  

City of Mequon WI - Any thing that launches a projectile is banned ( city books).  I still waiting for them to remove the accelerator  pedal  and throttle grips  from vehicles - as it launches large projectiles.  I get kind of cantankerous at times.


Desert Silver
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2019-07-06 15:12:04  
Posted by: chrisT

City of Mequon WI - Any thing that launches a projectile is banned ( city books).  I still waiting for them to remove the accelerator  pedal  and throttle grips  from vehicles - as it launches large projectiles.  I get kind of cantankerous at times.

Don't forget hands and arms!! OH and feet and heads ever watched soccer! Sling shots?


daveshoot
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2019-07-07 09:53:41  

It is discouraging to live here in CA. Like many, I fantasize about moving to a saner, cheaper place in retirement. Face it, we have single party rule, and the "progressive" elite want us gone anyway.

I sure liked the idea of splitting the state up.


mildot 52
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2019-07-08 06:35:49  
Posted by: pluric

I have a clean background. what are the rest of you so worried about???  

If I had the power I would deal with people like you by putting cameras in every room in your house including the bathrooms. if you got nothing to hide what is the problem? 


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