Lead Free Hunting P...
 

Lead Free Hunting Pellets Needed  

  RSS

Droidiphile
(@droidiphile)
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 41
2019-09-08 16:58:23  

Greetings my Good Air Gunners!

tl;dr :: Can someone recommend a .22 caliber lead free hunting pellet with excellent penetration ?

Read more: As I have posted recently, the laws in sunny CA have changed such that hunting ANY biological requires lead free ammo.  You can target practice with lead, but not hunt.  The problem I am seeing is finding a lead free round that is accurate and actually penetrates.  I do not think the manufacturers have responded to this new need yet.  There are some older alternatives, but most/all get rated down for various reasons. 

For example, I'd LOVE to see a lead-free version of the H&N Hornet.  I've been using Predator GTO 11.75gr for the creek rats that raid my wife's bird feeders, and they are okay.  Not that I care too much about a humane kill on a creek rat ... still. 

But before I spend money, I'd like to get some opinions on the following lead free pellets: Skenco Heavy Lead free 18 gr pointed; Crosman Powershot Red 16.7gr; Gamo Luxor Cu pointed 9.80gr; Gamo PBA bullet 14.4gr; H&N Baracuda domed 12.35gr.

Any recommendations would be welcomed.


Quote
Topic Tags
EMrider
(@emrider)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 9
2019-09-08 20:49:31  

I have tried them all and IMHO the Predator GTOs are the best by a WIDE margin.

I’ve found the GTO’s accuracy to match that of JSB 16s or 18s.  Wish they were a bit heavier, but I have no complaints about their accuracy.

R


ReplyQuote
Gratewhitehuntr
(@gratewhitehuntr)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 263
2019-09-09 07:30:25  

Light for caliber isn't a recipe for penetration.

 

Shame that heavy is pointed, a dome would be super!

Lead free .177 wadcutter around 8-9gr would also be awesome.

 

Rats deserve to be poisoned.

 

There you have it, the world according to John.


ReplyQuote
Doug Wall
(@doug-wall)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 111
2019-09-09 10:42:57  

Check out the H&N Green series. I've seen some excellent accuracy on some of those. The alloy is a little harder than some lead, so they penetrate pretty well.

 


ReplyQuote
Pistoleer
(@pistoleer)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 100
2019-09-09 23:29:46  

But Airguns are specifically allowed to shoot game in California w/ lead. It's in the '19- '20 hunting regs- air guns are not a firearm and therefore are not restricted to lead free ammo. I'm a Cal Hunter Safety instructor for the state.


ReplyQuote
Pistoleer
(@pistoleer)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 100
2019-09-09 23:34:26  

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/nonlead-ammunition#25046251-are-pellet-rifles-included-in-the-lead-ammunition-ban

Are pellet rifles included in the lead ammunition ban?

Since pellet rifles are not firearms, the use of lead projectiles in pellet rifles is not prohibited"

Now, go out there and hunt 🙂


ReplyQuote
JohnL57
(@johnl57)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 38
2019-09-10 11:45:06  

I agree with Pistoleer on the airgun exclusion. That being said, I've had very good success with the Baracuda Greens in my .22 R9.


ReplyQuote
Droidiphile
(@droidiphile)
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 41
2019-09-10 16:53:26  
Posted by: @pistoleer

But Airguns are specifically allowed to shoot game in California w/ lead. It's in the '19- '20 hunting regs- air guns are not a firearm and therefore are not restricted to lead free ammo. I'm a Cal Hunter Safety instructor for the state.

Pistoleer and JohnL57, thanks for the info; I'll check it out.  It gets tricky for me as my city statutes have defined many "projectile launchers" as firearms, including things like a good 'ole wrist rocket.  Shooting within city limits is allowed in "areas designated by the chief of police."  There is an archery range that's legal, and some wild areas like the flood control creek adjacent to my house where all the suburban rats party hearty and breed.  The question is, if my local city statutes define airguns as "firearms", does that legally bind locally deployed airgun ammo to the state's lead free laws? 

At the risk of sounding like a defeatist, knowing my luck, I'd be the one fool that gets busted for using lead ammo.  It's easier for me to simply use lead free ammo and I won't ever have to think about it.

Go in peace people!


ReplyQuote
Pistoleer
(@pistoleer)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 100
2019-09-10 20:31:03  

Oh, don't get us started on the City ordinances vs. Fish and Game- my, oh my, they've everything locked down in the East Bay of NorCal.

Best of luck, I do hope you find a happy pill for that rifle. If you are near Concord, we offer Field Target, Air Gun Silhouette, 10 meter indoor, and EVERY Wednesday, Airgun only use on the Multipurpose range, 9-12:00. You can shoot past noon, but the .22's come in and raise the roof with their no suppressed powder burning. Darn smoke poles!


ReplyQuote
Gratewhitehuntr
(@gratewhitehuntr)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 263
2019-09-11 07:14:32  

Wow, almost double the price and half the quantity?

Nothing in the normal weight range!

Wait, I have a PBA pellet here... OK I'm back... the gun shoots horrifically now.

 

No.

 

There you have it, the world according to John.


ReplyQuote
JohnL57
(@johnl57)
Joined: 2 years ago
Posts: 38
2019-09-11 09:19:26  
Posted by: @droidiphile
Posted by: @pistoleer

But Airguns are specifically allowed to shoot game in California w/ lead. It's in the '19- '20 hunting regs- air guns are not a firearm and therefore are not restricted to lead free ammo. I'm a Cal Hunter Safety instructor for the state.

Pistoleer and JohnL57, thanks for the info; I'll check it out.  It gets tricky for me as my city statutes have defined many "projectile launchers" as firearms, including things like a good 'ole wrist rocket.  Shooting within city limits is allowed in "areas designated by the chief of police."  There is an archery range that's legal, and some wild areas like the flood control creek adjacent to my house where all the suburban rats party hearty and breed.  The question is, if my local city statutes define airguns as "firearms", does that legally bind locally deployed airgun ammo to the state's lead free laws? 

At the risk of sounding like a defeatist, knowing my luck, I'd be the one fool that gets busted for using lead ammo.  It's easier for me to simply use lead free ammo and I won't ever have to think about it.

Go in peace people!

I understand your point of view. I have spent quite a bit of time shooting lead-free pellets as I don't like the idea of leading up the property I live on. The very best were the Prometheus Dynamic PCP2s. They weighed in around 14 grains and shot well in my R9 springer. They are sadly no longer made as far as I know-the factory retooled and the newer pellets were not up to the quality of the older ones. H&N was making some that looked like the Dynamics for a time, but I think those are not available any more either. I saw a post about the Sig Sauer 14 gr. pellets on one of the other forums-haven't tried them yet.


ReplyQuote
Droidiphile
(@droidiphile)
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 41
2019-09-11 09:41:54  
Posted by: @gratewhitehuntr

Light for caliber isn't a recipe for penetration.

 

Shame that heavy is pointed, a dome would be super!

Lead free .177 wadcutter around 8-9gr would also be awesome.

 

Rats deserve to be poisoned.

 

I don't want to make assumptions, but why a domed round preferred over a pointed?  I know that pellets are subsonic, and a dome has less wind resistance than pointed at those speeds.  At supersonic speeds, the pointed round should have less wind resistance, so might be more appropriate on powder fired rounds.


ReplyQuote

Please Login or Register