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JiminPGH
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2019-01-26 12:16:55  

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_Venturi_TR5_Multi_Shot_Target_Air_Rifle/4682

I flat out love the original Baikal 60/61 guns.  I've owned several over the years, and currently own a steel receiver 61 repeater.  (Still seeking a steel receiver single shot 60.)  The later plastic-receiver 60/61 guns are actually just as good.

I understand that this new offer is a Chi-clone, but I'm still excited to see this fantastic platform back on the market.  If you've never had the pleasure of shooting one of these, you have missed something special.  They are diminutive low-powered spring rifles, but PERFECT for short-range basement target work.

Thinking HARD about pre-ordering one of these.  Talk me out of it, please!


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Jim in SWMO
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2019-04-20 17:20:58  

Thanks for the pics, Jim. Those sights look right at home on there. That made a nice looking setup. I'll be watching to see what kind of accuracy you get with it. Good luck!

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2019-04-28 11:11:25  

Discovered a nasty burr on the crown, which I polished out using the round-head brass screw and white rouge technique.  I also pulled some patches thru the barrel; it was VERY dirty.  Another week of informal plinking, and I'll start serious accuracy testing next weekend.  I am liking this gun a lot.


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2019-04-28 16:29:46  

This thread peaked my interest so I found this and bought it. Noticed it is pretty loud for the first couple of shots, I don't think it had been fired much if ever IDK. Noticed the muzzle end had a thread protector which looks to be 1/2unfx20 but my Huggett would not screw on all the way and I did not want to force it and used this skinny one that I hadn't found a use for (until just now) and it made it very backyard friendly just a ping sound when shot. Have to be mindful to cock it fully otherwise it will double load. Pretty neat and handy light weight gun that shoulders well and with the cigar threaded on it is very stealthy to shoot. I don't like the plastic magazine though.

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Stinger177
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2019-04-28 17:48:21  
Posted by: Hotair

This thread peaked my interest so I found this and bought it. Noticed it is pretty loud for the first couple of shots, I don't think it had been fired much if ever IDK. Noticed the muzzle end had a thread protector which looks to be 1/2unfx20 but my Huggett would not screw on all the way and I did not want to force it and used this skinny one that I hadn't found a use for (until just now) and it made it very backyard friendly just a ping sound when shot. Have to be mindful to cock it fully otherwise it will double load. Pretty neat and handy light weight gun that shoulders well and with the cigar threaded on it is very stealthy to shoot. I don't like the plastic magazine though.

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The proper thread for a "cigar" on an MP60/61 is 12mm x 1mm. Mike at TKO ( http://tko22.com/ ) made a custom one for me that fits perfectly (see pic). 

These are really nice little shooters which is why I have two polymer 60's, a steel breech 60 and a polymer 61. 

Here's one of my blinged out MP60's with a TKO. (There's a laser inside the front sight hood).


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2019-04-29 00:49:20  

Neat looking set up you got there! Thanks for the tip about the proper threads and the TKO. I have no idea why mine has a pretty sharp crack to it when shot without the cigar on it. It sounds way louder than my P17 and reminds me of shooting a brand new straight out of the box overlubed (straight off the boat from Chinese factory) Chinese springer with the sharp crack upon discharge which really surprised me. With the cigar, it sounds like a very quiet "effectively shrouded" PCP with only its ping sound when shot. I am going to put some teflon tape on the threads to use this cigar I found in the drawer for now because I have had it for years and never knew what to do with it since it was so skinny, it wasn't of much use for my other PCPs or Co2 guns to be effective enough but it works like a charm for this IZH thats for sure.

That is a very cool idea for the laser in that front globe site.

Now to think of what scope to use...

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to have it tuned? Seems to have a little buzz and twang to it when shot too.

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Stinger177
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2019-04-29 06:26:27  

Thanks. That laser fit perfectly with a little reaming with a Dremel drum sander. I added three grub (or adjustment) screws around it at the rear. If you're interested in doing that mod, PM me for more details.

Just curious...was yours an ebay find from the guy in Ohio? 

These guns are notorious for coming from the factory very dry inside, so a good going through is probably a good idea. I have no idea why yours has the "crack" sound.


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2019-04-29 15:24:19  

Bought it from a good fella from Illinois whom I have done a lot of business with before.

I have a lot of connections for airguns and referrals where to buy what and who has what etc etc etc.

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2019-04-29 19:21:44  
Posted by: Hotair

Bought it from a good fella from Illinois whom I have done a lot of business with before.

I have a lot of connections for airguns and referrals where to buy what and who has what etc etc etc.

HA

really,.........connections you say? Like you know a guy who knows a guy kinda thing? Would these people perhaps have some hard to find Weihrauch items? Or should I just fuggedaboudit?

Oh, and BTW. If I were you, and you like your MP61 as much as I like my Baikals, I'd get a spare front sight hood for messing around with. I got mine from EAA when they still had parts (just checked and couldn't find them). However, Mikail (saper-custom on ebay) has them and he's great to deal with.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Sight-for-airguns-MP-60-61-Izh-512-MP-512/282863662479?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D931cfeb7f71a415881b9161697aff2ff%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D282897425025%26itm%3D282863662479&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Just a suggestion. It's what I do before modding anything so I can always make it back to pure stock config.


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2019-04-29 23:52:29  

That is sound advice for sure! Don't bugger up anything that is original unless you have a spare part to replace it with.

I buy a lot of airguns so many sellers and private collectors just email me their list since they don't want to bother to post them for sale or have the patience or time to deal with tire kickers or scammers or lookie loos or time wasters, you know... Sometimes I get a whole lot in a package deal and if the deal sounds good to me then I buy.

I am a pretty easy buyer to deal with. Worst I can do is say nope or pass. I am price motivated and usually not stupid enough to pay more than what things are actually worth I have one of my sellers whom I bought many guns from email me opinions when I send him pics and prices of some guns that I am unfamiliar with since he is on the stock market for used vintage airguns daily. Well kinda stupid in the case of the Beeman P2 which I HAD TO HAVE and paid about A WHOLE $40 more than I thought it was worth but it was like new in the box with all paperwork and he gave me such a good deal on the rest of the guns in the lot that I just said OK throw it in too.

So that sum of that deal was actually good. We are talking guns that are no longer available here.

I think I paid $90 or $100 for that IZH shipped. It is a pretty interesting gun. I just don't like the plastic magazine.

Many just send their guns to me even before I send payment!!! Normally I am quicker but sometimes I get thrown off guard.

I am not a lowball kind of person, I just don't reply or just say "pass" if it is price higher than I think its worth but I don't BS when I buy and when I say I'll take it, there is NO EXCUSE not to get paid unless there is a problem with the item or sellers remorse which happend many many many times already after I sent the payment in full to buy (then get refunded) but its OK I am human too.

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Stinger177
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2019-05-01 18:40:09  

Just received a package from Mother Russia today with this authentic Baikal rear peep inside. I got this one from Alexander Rodchenko on ebay. It came with a loop front insert, but the insert sits too high inside the front globe for some reason. This is mounted on my newest (3rd Gen.) MP61. I'll have to compare this globe with my Gen. 2 globes to see if there is a difference in height (they're packed away in rifle cases at the moment). Alexander showed it mounted on the front sight mounting post, which won't work on Gen 2 or 3 rifles. Only the 1st Gen steel breech versions had a dovetail at that location. The front location is wrong anyway as you wouldn't be able to sight through the small diopter hole at that far of eye relief. AofA sold the MP60 match kit with a diopter similar (if not exact) to the Air Venturi peep. This is the actual Baikal version intended for these rifles.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.


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Hotair
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2019-05-02 00:49:37  

KEWL!!! I am going to put a scope on mine to see how accurate it really is.

Fingers crossed...

AND I still don't like the plastic magazine!

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2019-05-02 16:03:34  

With the introduction of the TR5 and all the references to the Baikal 60/61 in this thread, my interest is also peaked.  I have a 60 that worked great from the beginning in 2012 but had been put away a year ago because it began to blow air back at me when shot.  I believe the O ring on the bolt is shot.  When I did searches I could never find a size listed for the teeny ring and ordering from Russia 2 for $18.00 seemed over done.  Do you know the size of these, they must be easy to obtain from the O ring store or Amazon if I had a clue about the size.  Otherwise, the gun is very accurate and I love it.  I'd also like to get a cigar!


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2019-05-02 16:30:19  

Dotty - I've replaced those o-rings and have tried many different sizes. I'll have to look through my stash and see which one finally worked. They are metric of course. I bought several from the O-Ring store and I have many on hand. I can drop some in the mail to you for the cost of a stamp (no charge, haha). Give me a couple days to find them (very busy at work right this week). I may just send you a couple of each size with the suggestion of what worked best for me. PM me your address and I'll PM back when they're in the mail.

As for the cigar, contact Mike at TKO. He made mine about two years ago, but he's pretty good at keeping track of info. I'm pretty sure that the thread is a 12mm x 1mm, but let me verify that as well. Will have to go back into some emails with Mike and double check. http://tko22.com/ - reference my name Dennis and he'll probably remember.


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Stinger177
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2019-05-02 16:35:50  

Found the email re: the cigar. It is 12mm x 1mm. Specify the caliber. I think mine ran around $92, but don't quote me on that (it was almost two years ago).


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2019-05-02 17:20:19  
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With the introduction of the TR5 and all the references to the Baikal 60/61 in this thread, my interest is also peaked.  I have a 60 that worked great from the beginning in 2012 but had been put away a year ago because it began to blow air back at me when shot.  I believe the O ring on the bolt is shot.  When I did searches I could never find a size listed for the teeny ring and ordering from Russia 2 for $18.00 seemed over done.  Do you know the size of these, they must be easy to obtain from the O ring store or Amazon if I had a clue about the size.  Otherwise, the gun is very accurate and I love it.  I'd also like to get a cigar!

I have an IZH-60 with the steel receiver and an original bolt that did not have an o-ring.

I ordered a bolt with an O-ring to replace the original bolt... it only came with one o-ring, so asked the seller (from Russia) if he could also send me an extra O-ring, which he did... kind of ridiculous what the extra ones are selling for, but most of the cost must be the postage.

I asked him what size the O-ring was, but he couldn't give me the exact size, but indicated it was probably metric, but that anything close should work.

I looked online at a few o-ring sellers, and tried to order some after taking some measurements of the extra one that I received.

I tried a few but could not get anything that matched exactly, like an AS568 Dash size -004, and a -005.

Then found an O-ring size chart from Orings Online, and the 3mm x 1mm seemed like it was a match, but the thickness is not as thick as the original extra.

I did try the -005, but it was a real tight fit into the breech once I got it on the bolt.

So I sort of gave up at this point, and got busy with other projects, but I would still like to get the exact size if possible.

IZH 60 O Rings Sizes

Here is a photo that I took of the original O-ring and the ones that I tried.

Ken H in OH -- Life is One Hole After Another...


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Stinger177
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2019-05-02 17:40:14  

I just found my Baikal o-ring stash, and, miraculously, I labeled the bag of the ones that worked! They are 1.5mm x 2.5mm. I have 1 x 2.5 and 1 x 3mm as well, but I remember that those did not work. Of the correct ones (1.5 x 2.5) I have them in Buna-N 70 and Viton, so I can send a few of each. 

 

Send me your info and I'll get them out.

That offer goes for others besides Dotty as well. PM me your info.


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Stinger177
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2019-05-02 18:00:36  

By the way - If any of you still have the original Baikal box, dig around and see if there is a small brown oily piece of folded up paper like this. It probably has that o-ring inside. Baikal just tosses them in the box and they're easy to overlook or toss out as trash.


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Dotty
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2019-05-02 23:27:07  

Wow!  You guys made my day.  Thank you Stinger and Airmojo for the diagrams and size confirmation to boot all in a few hours.  I did look in my old 60 box and there is no sign of anything inside but a piece of brown wax paper.  Anyway,  Stinger I will take you up on your kind offer of a couple o rings you have in stock.  Will send you a PM after this and will send you back several stamps to pay it forward should others request a few also.   Thank you so much.  After I get my Black Russian working correctly again..... I'll have a White Russian to celebrate with a cigar.  Ha. 


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Hotair
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2019-05-03 01:45:23  

For MY IZH61, there is an extreme night and day difference in sound output with and without the cigar. I am keeping mine on for good!

 

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2019-05-20 17:06:45  
Posted by: Tyler Patner
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Question;  are the magazines for the clone compatible with the izzy 61?  If so, I might want to pick up a couple of spares.

12 year old grandson loves the IZH 61.  But I'm afraid he may lose the magazine somehow.

No, they are not.  I tried it, and had to push a pellet back with an 1/8" brass rod.  DON'T try this!  I haven't tried the backwards compatibility using the TR-5 mag in the 61, but based on my initial experiment, I am unlikely to make an attempt.

With my 61, I have marked my magazines with fluorescent nail polish so that I can see when there are no more shots to take,  when the magazine shows orange, time to reload.  It prevents the possibility of a dry fire.

I did the same thing with the new TR-5, but I used fluorescent green nail polish, (It helps sometimes when you have daughters!)  To make sure I don't confuse clips and guns, I put a small green dot sticker on the TR-5, and a small orange dot sticker on the Izzy.

Standard 61 mags will jam in the TR5.  That is correct.  Removing a very small amount of material from the bottom of the 61 mags will allow them to operate in the TR5 without issue and still run in the 61.  PA should have mags that will work in the TR5, in stock soon.

 

Tyler

Waiting on some more parts from Russia for my mp-60, although the o-rings Stinger kindly supplied me (thank you) helped my 60 a bit, its still not what it was, so I ordered a new spring, seals, and even a new piston cartridge to bring it back to new inside.  We'll see.

Anyway, in the interim I bought the TR5 repeater since my Izh is single shot.  I'm enjoying it even if the "accuracy" reports aren't fantastic.  Easy to cock, repeater is indexing pellets fine, light weight etc.  My only beef so far is the magazine clip availability.  I've already lost one of the two included through the slats in an enclosed deck.  Damn!  Pyramid really should have had them available from the get go.  


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Dotty
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2019-05-20 17:08:17  

That is a very cool updated foregrip stock option.  Can't wait to see it put together.


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2019-05-21 19:44:53  
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That is a very cool updated foregrip stock option.  Can't wait to see it put together.

They're getting even crazier. Found this today, again from Etsy (but this time I resisted the urge to order one). 

https://www.etsy.com/listing/704252673/mp-61-izh-61-tuning-baikal-improved?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=MP60+front+sight&ref=sr_gallery-1-14&organic_search_click=1&frs=1


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