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JiminPGH
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2019-01-26 12:16:55  

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_Venturi_TR5_Multi_Shot_Target_Air_Rifle/4682

I flat out love the original Baikal 60/61 guns.  I've owned several over the years, and currently own a steel receiver 61 repeater.  (Still seeking a steel receiver single shot 60.)  The later plastic-receiver 60/61 guns are actually just as good.

I understand that this new offer is a Chi-clone, but I'm still excited to see this fantastic platform back on the market.  If you've never had the pleasure of shooting one of these, you have missed something special.  They are diminutive low-powered spring rifles, but PERFECT for short-range basement target work.

Thinking HARD about pre-ordering one of these.  Talk me out of it, please!


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2019-04-14 22:20:13  

Has anyone done an accuracy test on these yet or did I miss it?

 


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2019-04-14 22:28:30  
Posted by: Cvan

Has anyone done an accuracy test on these yet or did I miss it?

 

It's not ready. Went from 2.5" to 1" after cleaning at 20 yds. 150 shots so far.

What is really making me think now is that there is a super long barrel on a low power Springer.

 


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2019-04-14 22:30:31  

Ive also been using a bipod and no springer technique.


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2019-04-17 20:50:58  

Accuracy: none to speak of yet. 5 shot groups have so far been 1/2" to 2". No rhyme or reason. I did strip it polish and relubed with krytox.


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2019-04-17 21:06:15  

Try to shoot it off of a sandbag, or a firm pillow folded in half, you may get tighter groups.

 

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2019-04-17 21:09:41  

If you are getting 1/2" at 20 yards I would say that is great for that gun and I wouldn't expect it to have the accuracy of the Russian counterpart which wasn't the greatest for precision target shooting either but good for all day plinking and fun.

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2019-04-17 21:14:11  

I would suggest trying JSB and Air Arms Falcon counterparts in 7.33gr, 7.89gr and 8.44gr.

RWS R10 and Meisterkugelns should do well too.

Crosman brand pellets don't shoot consistently well enough in all guns but only some if you are lucky or have a Lothar Walther or Weihrauch or BSA or CZ or Feinwerkbau or Steyr barrels or in perhaps fifty fifty cases, Crosman barrels.

 

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2019-04-17 21:14:21  

1/2 inch then 2 inch. I've tried bipod, Caldwell tack driver, babying with an atrtilary hold...all of them I can get 1/2" at 20 yds, then it opens up to 2". I stopped changing pellets, going to burn through 500 jsb and see where we are then.


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2019-04-17 21:15:36  

I edited my post to add more content.

 

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2019-04-17 21:19:05  

Even the cheap Beeman Chinese Hollow Points may shoot well may be worth a try and the Gamo Match wadcutters were surprisingly accurate in some of my "no hope" cheap  guns I had before.

Try the folded pillow, you may be surprised.

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2019-04-17 21:21:09  

I would guess that dime sized groups at 10 yards would be the norm for these guns. At 20 yards I would guess it would be double that.

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2019-04-17 21:24:26  

All good. There is something I'm missing. The last real variable is the scope. And the barrel is 18". I think i should take it down to 10 or so, just so it pokes out of the plastic. I'm just going to pump pellets through it and see if anything happens.

 

Fwiw, the Piston seal was perfect, and lubed lightly from the factory. I cleaned and polished all metal and reinstalled with a couple shims and washers.


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2019-04-17 21:29:35  

I've tried boxed CPL and cph, jsb, av wadcutters, rws wadcutters, crosman hollow points, and some crow mags. The CPL and jsb are close but get this - the 7.9 CPL goes at 480, the jsb 8.44 is 508. The bright side is speed is super repeatable. +- 2 fps. So that's why I'm thinking just shoot for a bit and see what happens.


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2019-04-17 21:48:16  

Uhhh....I wouldn't go cutting the barrel down. Why would you, in a day when people are putting longer barrels on their 13xx's to GAIN fps? Also, parts are not yet available (as far as we know) so there's no going back. All shortening will do is lessen your fps and there goes the accuracy (such as it is) as well.

I'd give it some time to settle in. At least a tin's worth of pellets. And remember, the MP60/61's were only meant to be 10m rifles anyway.

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2019-04-17 21:54:39  

It's a Springer. It really shouldn't need more than 10".


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2019-04-17 21:59:18  

Didn't know that made a difference. Guess I just learned something. 🙂 


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2019-04-18 06:10:09  
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It's a Springer. It really shouldn't need more than 10".

Depends... is the barrel choked ?  will you re-choke the chopped barrel ?

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2019-04-18 11:17:53  

GAs guns benefit from  longer barrels cuz it give the gas charge more time to act on the pellet

springers give one huge thump to the pellet to start it moving, after that, unnecesary barrel length just adds drag to the pellet and slows it down......

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2019-04-18 15:52:13  
Posted by: sky

I've tried boxed CPL and cph, jsb, av wadcutters, rws wadcutters, crosman hollow points, and some crow mags. The CPL and jsb are close but get this - the 7.9 CPL goes at 480, the jsb 8.44 is 508. The bright side is speed is super repeatable. +- 2 fps. So that's why I'm thinking just shoot for a bit and see what happens.

That's my plan as well, just shoot the thing for a while at suspended beercans before putting it over a chrony or shooting paper for groups.

So far, I like it a lot.  I've figured out how to remove a spent clip without fully cocking, but it takes a little fiddling with the bolt follower and cocking arm.

It doesn't have quite the same solid feel as my well-worn steel-breech IZH61, but it does seem to be a pretty close approximation, and in my opinion, well worth the price.  As many have said, this platform is a perfect learner gun for youngsters, and overall I'm glad that someone is making them again.


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2019-04-18 19:22:03  

Spent a little time tonight shooting my new TF-5 along side my well-worn steel-breech IZH61.  They are the same, but they are very different.  The Izzy cocks like winding a watch, while the TF-5 cocks like a roller coaster on the up-grade.  But they both feel pretty much the same in firing behavior, which I find a little puzzling, since one is brand new and the other is probably 30 years old.

I found that the trigger seems to be an exact copy of the early IZH multi-lever, and I was able to get my TF-5 to a very predictable light release, almost as good as the izzy.  ALMOST.

That's the thing about this gun.  Its almost as good as the one it cloned.  But for someone who never had one of the originals, they would never know.  It really is that close to the original.

If you are one of those folks who missed the boat on the "real" IZH 61, this gun is as close as you'll get.  And, they're cheap!  As an avowed disciple of all things IZH, I can say this gun is a good buy. 


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2019-04-18 19:25:17  

That's good to hear. Is yours super hold sensitive?


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2019-04-18 19:51:39  
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I'm getting 510fps with a CPL 7.9. haven't tested accuracy yet.

Attached is how I mounted the scope, a bugbuster with an offset mount. Shimmed the rear .015" to get it on paper at 10yds.

Also a nice surprise. Look what is under the factory front sight!

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THAT is very interesting.  Based on your picture of front-end dovetails, I just ordered a globe sight from PA.  (I have a few 10M rear sights to play with.)  Let's see what this baby can do with match sights!


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2019-04-18 19:55:19  

Id love to hear how it works. I think I'm going to cut it off on mine. Just need to hit up one of the machiinests at work.


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2019-04-20 10:40:55  

Some chrony numbers from "My little Combro,"  RWS Basic 7.0g - 550 fps ave.  RWS Meister 8.2g - 505 ave.  I too have experienced remarkable shot-to-shot consistency, with variations around 2-5 fps, which is quite unexpected from a brand-new gun.

I took off the factory sights and put a Diana hooded tapered post on the front dovetails, and a Hungarian(?) polymer rear match sight.  Looks and shoots great.  Still too early in the run-in to test for accuracy*, but it hits where I aim in the basement at 7 yds. 

*I've found than with a new gun, it takes at least a full tin of pellets for two important things to happen: 1, the gun wears in and settles down, and equally important 2, I as the shooter become familiar enough with the gun to know exactly what to expect when I pull the trigger.  Both of these take time and patience.


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2019-04-20 11:25:47  

Question;  are the magazines for the clone compatible with the izzy 61?  If so, I might want to pick up a couple of spares.

12 year old grandson loves the IZH 61.  But I'm afraid he may lose the magazine somehow.


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2019-04-20 11:37:40  

Eeler1, PA still has some of the IZH 61 magazines available.

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/IZH_61_Extra_Magazine/510

 

Jim, got any pics of your TR5 with those sights on it?

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2019-04-20 13:43:29  

So happens I do.

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2019-04-20 14:04:14  
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Question;  are the magazines for the clone compatible with the izzy 61?  If so, I might want to pick up a couple of spares.

12 year old grandson loves the IZH 61.  But I'm afraid he may lose the magazine somehow.

No, they are not.  I tried it, and had to push a pellet back with an 1/8" brass rod.  DON'T try this!  I haven't tried the backwards compatibility using the TR-5 mag in the 61, but based on my initial experiment, I am unlikely to make an attempt.

With my 61, I have marked my magazines with fluorescent nail polish so that I can see when there are no more shots to take,  when the magazine shows orange, time to reload.  It prevents the possibility of a dry fire.

I did the same thing with the new TR-5, but I used fluorescent green nail polish, (It helps sometimes when you have daughters!)  To make sure I don't confuse clips and guns, I put a small green dot sticker on the TR-5, and a small orange dot sticker on the Izzy.


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2019-04-20 14:56:26  

That's a mean lookin' little unit there! Especially out in your jungle. Looks like something Arnold would use to hunt the Predator.

 

BTW, one of the Russian ebay sellers has 6-shot mags for the MP61 and also a 5- shot "Biathalon" style that sticks out further. 


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2019-04-20 16:33:53  
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Question;  are the magazines for the clone compatible with the izzy 61?  If so, I might want to pick up a couple of spares.

12 year old grandson loves the IZH 61.  But I'm afraid he may lose the magazine somehow.

No, they are not.  I tried it, and had to push a pellet back with an 1/8" brass rod.  DON'T try this!  I haven't tried the backwards compatibility using the TR-5 mag in the 61, but based on my initial experiment, I am unlikely to make an attempt.

With my 61, I have marked my magazines with fluorescent nail polish so that I can see when there are no more shots to take,  when the magazine shows orange, time to reload.  It prevents the possibility of a dry fire.

I did the same thing with the new TR-5, but I used fluorescent green nail polish, (It helps sometimes when you have daughters!)  To make sure I don't confuse clips and guns, I put a small green dot sticker on the TR-5, and a small orange dot sticker on the Izzy.

Standard 61 mags will jam in the TR5.  That is correct.  Removing a very small amount of material from the bottom of the 61 mags will allow them to operate in the TR5 without issue and still run in the 61.  PA should have mags that will work in the TR5, in stock soon.

 

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