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Airgun-Channel
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2018-08-07 08:44:24  

Hey Guys! Here is a video about sorting your pellets like a hardcore target shooter. The video also shows a test of sorted pellets through a new Kral Arms ARMOUR in .22 caliber. Thanks for watching! 

Click here to watch: How to Sort Pellets for Accuracy Tutorial and Demo

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Airgun-Channel
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2018-08-07 11:22:11  

That is good to know. Also I don't think my scale was working correctly. I got it used from a friend so I'm going to go buy a new one. Thank you for your input. I obviously know nothing about grains or grams. I'm going to weigh them in grains next time. 

I appreciate you telling me about that. Hopefully I will be able to shoot at some farther distances soon. 

The poi measurements you mentioned are very interesting. I still have a ton of stuff to learn. I learned a lot last night just from watching air arms Africa Matt's 15 part series on internal and external ballistics on airguns. I'm not sure if all 15 or out yet but it is a great series. I have only got through the first three videos so far. That guy is really smart

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nervoustrigger
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2018-08-07 12:22:46  

Thanks for taking the time to put together this video. I know it takes a lot of work so I hope a bit of constructive criticism is not unwelcome. Considering it’s a mid-range AR, that’s a decent group at 22 yards but also one that it very well may have delivered with unsorted, unsized pellets. It would be much more compelling with some “before” groups and some “after” groups.

I highly recommend you to read Mike Niksch’s (Thomas Benchrest) journey, on how he has gone from staunchly believing in sorting to completely eliminating it from his regimen. There are few who have been as successful as he has so I think his voice is one worth listening to.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=82839.msg795281#msg795281

With that said, I encourage everyone to experiment with their pellets. It can be very rewarding to discover something which squeezes out a bit more precision. My experiments have brought me to the conclusion that mediocre pellets can be improved but good ones don’t need it. For example, I’ve had some success with tumble deburring budget pellets like Crosman Premiers and some from H&N’s Excite line to remove mold flashing.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134454.msg1340198#msg1340198

However, the results are never as good as a quality pellet like a JSB Exact or an H&N FTT. Not to say my barrel likes every batch equally well, but when it does, I can’t improve the results by sorting.


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Doug Wall
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2018-08-07 14:16:04  

A 0.01 gram resolution scale is really inadequate for the job. The scale will read the same for a 14.005g pellet and a 14.014g pellet. it will also read 14.014g pellets, and 14.015g pellets as being 0.01g different. You really need a laboratory grade balance with a 0.001g resolution if you want meaningful data. If you want to do it in grains, it should have a resolution of at least 0.05 grains, or preferably 0.01 grains. Pellet head size is also important. Many good pellets have pretty tightly controlled sizes, some other ones not so much. For the review testing that I do for Hard Air Magazine, we measure , for a relatively large sample size, pellet weight to 0.001g (with a laboratory grade balance), head diameter to 0.01mm (with a PelletGage), and length to 0.01mm. As always, if you gun doesn't like the pellets, all the sorting in the world won't give you one hole accuracy.


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Airgun-Channel
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2018-08-07 18:11:19  

Doug and nervoustrigger. Thanks for the info and suggestions. I’m going shopping for a scale tonight so I’m really glad you mentioned those figures. I probably would have wasted my money on something that didn’t even read sensitively enough. 

I will look at those articles and links tonight. I will definitely have to make some more video on this subject till I get it right.

Later tonight I will be shooting sorted and unsorted groups to compare...sounds like no more weighing till I get a new scale though....darn it!

I will order a pellet gauge too. I need every advantage I can get when shooting targets. I’m excited to see if I can gain any sort of edge. 

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ekmeister
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2018-08-07 22:20:15  

Weight is good.  A man named Harry, with an ID of Yrrah on the old Yellow forum, had lots of success with accuracy when shooting at very long distances.  He posted about a neat method he came up with.  He would roll his pellets across a tilted flat surface, and shoot the ones that traveled an identical arc across the surface.  It identified the ones that had a nearly-identical head and skirt size.  It worked for him. 

Sorry, I'm not good at finding old posts on the Yellow archives or I'd post the link to his video where he showed how he did it.  Maybe someone else can find it and post it for us.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/pellet-head-sizing-difinitive-discrimination-for-j-t181531.html

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2018-08-08 00:41:22  

That's a great idea. I have plenty of flat marble tiles I could use as a surface. I'll try that out. I'm working on a new, more accurate sorting video. Looking for a better scale now.

I'm interested in ANY method to make pellets more accurate. Keep the ideas coming!  ...and that's a good point...at farther distances is where you will see the results of pellet selection. 

Guess who just got 700 rounds of .25 caliber (NSA) Nielsen Specialty Ammo? ...I did. I got it for $65. Can't wait to try it in my .25 cal HP Red Wolf! I'm trying to decide what caliber Impact X to get right now. If I get a .25 I'll have to save them for that. A .30 cal with 2 tanks? Africa Air Arms Matt uses a .22 with NSA slugs because he said it has the best BC of any caliber with the Impact. I could be wrong, but I think he said that. It's in the squirrel video. 

Just watched the video: Great method of rolling the pellets into that grove. I would like to see him re-roll a few of his pellets to check his results. I'm definitely going to try and make one of those boards. Super cool! 

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2018-08-08 08:35:07  

To get an idea of how good you scale is, weigh the same pellet 10 or 20 times.

If it's not the same every time, your scale isn't good enough to really show you anything useful. No matter how many decimal places it has...


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ekmeister
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2018-08-09 15:59:00  

Thanks for finding the post describing the method.  I apologize for not knowing how to do so.  It appears I also own an apology to Harry--albeit based on ignorance totally without malice--because he appears to be a registered member here on the Airgun Warriors forum.

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Tom Holland
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2018-08-11 01:19:51  

I describe my methods of pellet sorting on my Channel, Field Target Tech, it's not a cinematographic masterpiece, but it's the information that is important to me.  I find that my regimen has noticeable results for me, and my competitive endeavors.

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