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2019-08-03 12:20:26  

Hello shooters! Here is a review on Crosman's PCP target pistol. It says on the box the gun is guaranteed to do .25 inch groups at 10 meters. The used one I bought did even better than that. It is a fun gun to shoot. The 1701P is otherwise known as the Crosman Silhouette. There is also no other review of this gun in existence…even though it's not a new gun. Shooter 1721 does have about 20 trick shot videos with it…including some pretty amazing shots. The Crosman 1701P meets IHMSA and NRA competition requirements if your interested in competitive shooting. Thanks for watching! -Nate

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2019-08-03 14:27:38  

I bought one about a month ago. Very fun out of the box! I was already to tear into the trigger but decided to shoot it first. Triggers great out of the box. I haven't touched it yet. I am getting a higher speed than yours with the JSB 8.44. maybe thinner air??? I'm at 4500 feet. I went with open sights on mine, for now. Need readers to see the sights, then the target is a blur. Gotta love getting older, Not! 😟 

https://advrider.com/f/threads/air-rifle-thread.703388/page-515#post-37957155


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2019-08-04 09:10:34  

Just to mention....we never really get the back-story with airguns...there was a 1700.

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Wasn't keeping strict attention at the time, but believe there was a price cut-off for one game or another to be legal in production category, and the 1700 was a couple of bucks over the limit.

Someone who played the games back then might remember the reasoning for the 1700 becoming the 1701. Folks who do play the competition games likely can also remember the political in-fighting that any rule seems to generate.

The 1701 actually has a more refined trigger (or at least more refined trigger adjusting system) but if there any other changes, they are minor. WISELY, the folks that do have the 1701 do not seem willing for me to detail strip their pistol to see....but I suspect nothing really different.

< End of history lecture>

I kept it mostly to iron sights and shrouded it...at least that is how it's been used for the last years.

Know the shroud isn't really needed....but it keeps the wife happy when I have to shoot indoors.

Did test the mechanical accuracy by adding a scope and shoulder stock,just to see what the pistol could do from a rest with as little shooter error as possible (short of a mechanical type clamp-rest).

They really can shoot freakishly well. This was as the above carbine, a really solid sand bagged rest, indoors.....but figure that the MECHANICAL accuracy is there. As a pistol-pistol, iron sighted,it would still be there....but the biologic variables would keep something like this from happening.

Don't see these pistols as being great choices for rot-rodding,although I did experiment in that direction. It's like 45 cc's of air, and while you could boost them up in power (mostly it's the tiny transfer port keeping them slow), the shot count would be pretty darned short.

Very mildly bumped it up for about 5 foot pounds and have left it there. Seems reasonable for what I use it for(paper/swinging targets/plinking) with open sights.


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2019-08-04 23:55:20  

Ribbon stone: Awesome post on your 1701. Thanks for all that great info! -Nate 

Pluric: I checked out your AdvRiders post. Cool 1701 review and I love your shooting gallery! I’m about to get into some target making.  -Nate 

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2019-08-05 09:11:28  
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Ribbon stone: Awesome post on your 1701. Thanks for all that great info! -Nate 

Pluric: I checked out your AdvRiders post. Cool 1701 review and I love your shooting gallery! I’m about to get into some target making.  -Nate 

Be careful. I've gone down that rabbit hole and it's a hard one to get out of. 😉  It started as a way to pass winter nights. Now I've put a large fan in my garage and moved my car out to have shop space for summer nights. Lately I've spent more time out there than shooting. Working on automated stuff now. Power resets and such. 

https://airgunwarriors.com/other-diy/diy-targets/


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2019-08-05 09:44:35  

With a study subject of 1, never can be sure it's representative of the model...but other folks report great results as well. It's not one I'd pick to hot-rod and is about as long as I'd care to use as a pistol/pistol.
Grips do seem to make a difference. I don't really mind the plastic grips on a plinker or general use and they grip is pretty secondary if shooting one as a scoped/bench pistol. Do find that more form-fitting grips actually do help using it as an off hand pistol.
Which can be hard when ordering online and not being able to actually hold them...and there really aren't that many grip makers anymore. Most often the pictures are of how nice they look from the side...they really should include a view from the shooter's perspective:


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2019-08-05 11:37:15  

Be careful. I've gone down that rabbit hole and it's a hard one to get out of. 😉

...too late. I started brainstorming last night!

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Anyone know how to use this thing? 

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2019-08-05 11:40:52  
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Be careful. I've gone down that rabbit hole and it's a hard one to get out of. 😉

 

Anyone know how to use this thing? 

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Ship it to me and I'll let you know what I figure out. 😉 😊 


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2019-08-05 12:46:07  

Just the manual is too heavy to ship! I better learn to read soon.

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2019-08-05 13:08:43  

I've been sniffing around the web today trying to find some target/10 meter grips. Keith Eisler in Canada comes up but his email gets kicked back. I've sent one to Steve Corcoran too. Anyone have another lead? Found all the stock looking dimension stuff on ebay. Looking more for a little wider and maybe finger grooves.


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2019-08-05 13:21:21  

I just emailed the guy I bought that gun from. He had mentioned that he got the grips from a guy named Vernon who made them...when I had asked about them. That was all he had said.  I just I shot him another email to ask if he knows how to get ahold of the guy. I love Vernon's work. That would be awesome if I could find him.

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2019-08-05 13:29:08  

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Vernon Austin. Mostly on Ebay and AA

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2019-08-05 13:34:01  

Citizen K:  Thank you! 

...Tim emailed me back. Vernon is at vaustin928@yahoo.com ...he make theese grips for the 1701P 

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2019-08-05 14:09:19  
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Vernon Austin. Mostly on Ebay and AA

https://www.ebay.com/usr/mystryman_1

Thank you! I'd seen his listings for Crosman 600 guns. I couldn't confirm if they would fit my pistol. I've sent him an email through ebay.

Rick


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2019-08-05 16:45:09  
Posted by: @pluric

I bought one about a month ago. Very fun out of the box! I was already to tear into the trigger but decided to shoot it first. Triggers great out of the box. I haven't touched it yet. I am getting a higher speed than yours with the JSB 8.44. maybe thinner air??? I'm at 4500 feet. I went with open sights on mine, for now. Need readers to see the sights, then the target is a blur. Gotta love getting older, Not!  

https://advrider.com/f/threads/air-rifle-thread.703388/page-515#post-37957155

I don't care if my barrel is bent gouged and different bore sizes in the length of it as long as I got a real good trigger


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2019-08-05 16:49:45  
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Posted by: @pluric

I bought one about a month ago. Very fun out of the box! I was already to tear into the trigger but decided to shoot it first. Triggers great out of the box. I haven't touched it yet. I am getting a higher speed than yours with the JSB 8.44. maybe thinner air??? I'm at 4500 feet. I went with open sights on mine, for now. Need readers to see the sights, then the target is a blur. Gotta love getting older, Not!  

https://advrider.com/f/threads/air-rifle-thread.703388/page-515#post-37957155

I don't care if my barrel is bent gouged and different bore sizes in the length of it as long as I got a real good trigger

 🤔 Yeah, but if your gun really suffered from all those other maladies it would be nice to have a bad trigger to blame it on. 😉 🙂 


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2019-08-05 16:53:28  
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I bought one about a month ago. Very fun out of the box! I was already to tear into the trigger but decided to shoot it first. Triggers great out of the box. I haven't touched it yet. I am getting a higher speed than yours with the JSB 8.44. maybe thinner air??? I'm at 4500 feet. I went with open sights on mine, for now. Need readers to see the sights, then the target is a blur. Gotta love getting older, Not!  

https://advrider.com/f/threads/air-rifle-thread.703388/page-515#post-37957155

I don't care if my barrel is bent gouged and different bore sizes in the length of it as long as I got a real good trigger

  Yeah, but if your gun really suffered from all those other maladies it would be nice to have a bad trigger to blame it on.  

hahah I get a kick out of the way some guys over rate a trigger. Tubbs has said you can get used to any trigger  


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2019-08-05 17:03:01  
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Posted by: @pluric

I bought one about a month ago. Very fun out of the box! I was already to tear into the trigger but decided to shoot it first. Triggers great out of the box. I haven't touched it yet. I am getting a higher speed than yours with the JSB 8.44. maybe thinner air??? I'm at 4500 feet. I went with open sights on mine, for now. Need readers to see the sights, then the target is a blur. Gotta love getting older, Not!  

https://advrider.com/f/threads/air-rifle-thread.703388/page-515#post-37957155

I don't care if my barrel is bent gouged and different bore sizes in the length of it as long as I got a real good trigger

  Yeah, but if your gun really suffered from all those other maladies it would be nice to have a bad trigger to blame it on.  

hahah I get a kick out of the way some guys over rate a trigger. Tubbs has said you can get used to any trigger  

Don't know all the names around here so tell "Tubbs" I'd rather use a great trigger than get use to a shitty one. 👍 😊 


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2019-08-05 17:15:50  

david tubbs is the greatest rifle marksman in 100 years. I will take his advice and not monkey around


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2019-08-05 17:36:24  
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david tubbs is the greatest rifle marksman in 100 years. I will take his advice and not monkey around

Looked him up. His site pushes modified triggers for "Accuracy".  Guess they are easier to get use to. 😉 

http://www.davidtubb.com/tubb-accuracy-parts


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2019-08-05 17:45:10  

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of course with his rep he is trying to make money for guys that think all you need is a good trigger. in the early 90's I was the only one that bought savage heavy barrels cause the experts thought they were junk. . me and the guys that worked for me bought 4 some 223 some 308. you needed a come along to set the trigger off.  had to be 12 lbs. we all shot tiny groups with a lot of different ammo and reloads. then they came out with replacement adjustable triggers . we all got them and they made absolutely no difference in group size. we got used to the bad triggers just like Tubbs said.


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2019-08-05 18:36:09  
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@pluric

of course with his rep he is trying to make money for guys that think all you need is a good trigger. in the early 90's I was the only one that bought savage heavy barrels cause the experts thought they were junk. . me and the guys that worked for me bought 4 some 223 some 308. you needed a come along to set the trigger off.  had to be 12 lbs. we all shot tiny groups with a lot of different ammo and reloads. then they came out with replacement adjustable triggers . we all got them and they made absolutely no difference in group size. we got used to the bad triggers just like Tubbs said.

You obviously have a much longer history and knowledge of guns than I ever will. I got bit by the airgun bug hard about 4 years ago. Been trying to catch up and try to learn as much as I can from others experience. Personally I've seen my groups improve with what would be considered "Match grade' triggers. I play with a 10 meter range in my basement. Take a Benjamin NP pistol, which arguably is one of the worst triggers I've encountered, and use that against one of my match grade guns and I don't think any amount of getting used to it would over come the difficulty it is to shoot. 

As I transitioned from springers to more PCP use it became even more obvious to me of the importance of a crisp breaking smooth trigger. It just compliments the smoothness of the whole gun. My magnum springers had me so focused on hold consitancy, recoil, twang,  that the trigger was a secondary thought.  Still love my lighter R7 and HW 30 for the gun they are and.... wonderful, predictable triggers.

I mean no disrespect to Mr Tubbs or yourself by my personal observations and preferences. Part of my enjoyment of the airguns is an appreciation of a trigger that needs no effort or thought to use. 


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2019-08-05 18:40:32  

half of shooting well is mental. if you decide you can do  better with a great trigger it will make you shoot better. you have to go with what makes your mind right. I will never turn down a good trigger but it is good to be able to work with what you got


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2019-08-05 19:22:27  
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half of shooting well is mental. if you decide you can do  better with a great trigger it will make you shoot better. you have to go with what makes your mind right. I will never turn down a good trigger but it is good to be able to work with what you got

Agreed. I always wonder how many potential enthusiasts the industry loses out of frustration by curious people who impulse buy a marginal gun and pellets from a big box vendor expecting immediate exceptional accuracy? Not knowing if they would take the time to shoot a tin of pellets, get a feel for the gun, maybe web search recommended holds or pellet options they might actually get the results they expected. Instead I see local classifieds loaded with, "Maybe 20 shots, tin of pellets included". 

I admit as I got more into the hobby/sport my expectations grew. I went from being so pleased if a Gamo break barrel gave me a 2" group at 20 yards to if the gun didn't shoot a ragged hole at 30 yards it was POS. 🤣 

I grew up with motorcycles. I felt my beginner Yamaha 80 Trailmaster was the ultimate ride. Nothing could ever exceed the ability of what that bike could do in my world. Until the Hodaka Super Rat, then the.....

So you're right in that working with what you've got is a great point. Just that sometimes the grass really is so much greener on the other side. 😉  Sorry for the thread hi-jack. Back to your regular programming.


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2019-08-06 08:52:55  

Guess I was taught "wrong". Sights on target, apply a smooth squeeze...sights drift off target, hold the pull you already took up and get back on target...more pressure. Eventually the sear breaks at an ounce or two of added pressure with the sights on target.

Even with the true match triggers, often find myself holding most of a6 ounce pull and getting the sear to trip with just a slight increase.

A trigger that is predicatbile (acts the same each time) does help.

With the 1701's adjustments,can pretty well dial in the trigger to suit a lot of folks trigger technique ."Slapping" or "snatching" the trigger , even a very light trigger,is a a bad habit I've managed to avoid.


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2019-08-06 13:52:30  

 The Truth about triggers  are lack of a good one......Yes indeed you can get use to any trigger,that said when you do and you have you and your gun shooting at its best you then realize your trigger can be holding you back.....I have been there and said to myself ,"the gun is accurate,butt the trigger sucks!".I then did trigger work and it was sooooooooo much better..Another thing is most good rifles come with adjustable triggers for just that reason and another thing, I have a early model 1700 and it has the Old style funky trigger.....and it keeps the pistol from achieving better accuracy....and  so now it comes with the better trigger.....I have worked the old trigger to become better,butt no way can it be better that the newer trigger.....so then my next step is to put the trigger in my older 170o..

    David Tubbs is a great shot ....and fun to read about.

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2019-08-06 17:19:35  
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Vernon Austin. Mostly on Ebay and AA

https://www.ebay.com/usr/mystryman_1

Thank you! He just happened to have a completed target set style available and they are on the way.


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2019-08-08 11:09:06  

@ribbonstone

A bit of history on the 1700, 1701, etc....lol

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/viewtopic.php?f=79537&t=239794&p=2735217&hilit=1700#p2735217

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@ribbonstone

A bit of history on the 1700, 1701, etc....lol

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/viewtopic.php?f=79537&t=239794&p=2735217&hilit=1700#p2735217

I appreciate that post! Thank you. Just for shits and giggles I ordered a 1720 .067 transfer port to see what it does in the 1701. Easy swap out to go back if I don't like it. I'll give an update result opinion when the grips and port come in.

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2019-08-16 00:09:34  

Well the parts came in and I was playing with the changes tonight. First was the transfer port swap for one out of a 1720 pistol it's a .067. I don't know what the stock 1701 is but it is small.

1702 d

I did a before and after chrony. Used JSB 8.44

Stock,

1702 a

New TP,

1702 f

It was a bit louder too. Still fairly backyard friendly, but stock was better.

Stock,

1702 b

Modded,

1702 e

I don't really know what I'm doing with the sound meter. I held the gun about 2 feet in front of it and shot over the top. When my central air outdoor compressor kicked on it read around 60. 

The swap out is quite easy. Just remove four breech screws. That said it turned into a bitch. I'd put a rear sight on. They slide in from the side not clamp on the dove rail. Couldn't remember what held it on. Turns out there are two tiny allen grub screws. Didn't know if they were metric or SAE. Nothing would grab. So I took the roll pin out to get the top off.

1702 g

10 minute job turned into half hour. 😫 

1702 c

Kind of made up for it when I went to sight it in and it was spot on at 12 yards. When I moved that target I had my pistol silhouettes at 20 yards. Thought I'd see if I could hit them. Fresh paint so they show impact. Went large to small and nailed each of them. The gun definitely had more whack! 

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I'd also scored a set of Vernon Austin target grips. Here they are compared to stock.

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Here is the thickness difference.

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I wear XL gloves and like the feel of the grips. My only complaint is they move my hand up tight on the rear of the gun.

1702 n

I must be a sensitive princess because now the  bolt head digs into my hand. I'm going to shoot it more and then decide whether to modify the bolt head.

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Nit picky side note. Maybe 50 shots and the finish on the grips is already starting to fade.

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I'm going to leave it hotted for now. If I started to shoot it more indoors at 10 meter I may go back to stock.

 


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