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Joe
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2019-07-26 16:33:55  

Friends,

I shoot for plinking, pests, and targets out to about 50 yards and am considering a red dot optic.  Perhaps the Trijicon RMR or an Aimpoint T1 micro.

For those who have used red dots with your airgun, do you have any observations (pros and cons)? 

Thus far, I've only used 3-9 and 4-16 scopes with no illumination but want the extra visibility of an illuminated reticle for low light and the simplicity of the red dot for fast target acquisition.

Here are some product links:

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?mid=Adjustable%20LED

https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-micro-t-1/

Thanks!

Joe


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marflow
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2019-07-26 19:06:08  

as posted on the other forum

I would buy a cheap one to test if you like it might not be great or 1 or 2 mil dot but some people don't like red sights

and this brand you could check out

http://www.ultradotusa.com/

Mike


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Joe
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2019-07-26 19:43:51  

marflow - thanks for the suggestion, I also saw your other post.  I've read great stuff about ultradots and need to give them another more thorough look.

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DonC
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2019-07-26 21:06:31  

I BOUGHT A $200.00 Sig Sauer 2mil dot. I bought it because it got good reviews. Built like a tank and the AA battery last an incredible number of hours. Mine is dot only but they have one that is dot inside circle.

Keep in mind, even with small 2mil dot, the dot will cover up your POA sometimes when shooting paper. Very nice for hunting


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Joe
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2019-07-27 03:58:06  

DonC - thanks for the feedback, specifically on the 2 MOA dot.  I'm glad to hear you're having good results with it while hunting.  My main concern has been parallax errors but it sounds like I need to get my hands on one to see what type of accuracy I can get.

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DanWesson
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2019-07-27 04:33:56  

I know this model linked below is not a 1 or 2 MOA sight, but for the price you can't beat them. The ones I own are the earlier model which did not have an adjustable red dot. I have one mounted on a Daisy 747 I use for indoor air pistol silhouette and the other is atop my TC Contender for hunter pistol silhouette. 

https://www.natchezss.com/simmons-1x24mm-red-dot-sight-with-rings-matte-black.html


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ViKing
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2019-07-27 06:26:20  

I have used a Sig Romeo 5 ($120) on a .22 Cricket.  For my old eyes, it worked great out to 25 yds.

I have since moved over to a couple Holosun red dot sights.  Some of their models will turn on when the rifle is picked up.  Then after use, sight will automatically turn off.  Battery life is said to be 50,000 hours.  The models I have has solar panels built into the top of the unit.


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DonC
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2019-07-27 14:45:31  

Joe,

Just a  thought. Many guys have told me that red dots are best on pistols,not rifles.  Consider a Williams peep sight. I prefer them over red dots. They are called FP_AG_TK. I also bought a   Gehman adjustable iris for the Williams from Champion Choice. Amazon delivered another one to me last week. They are the only retailer that presently has them ready for shipping.

 

 


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Joe
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2019-07-27 16:09:44  

DanWesson - thanks for the link.  At that price, if I decide to do an evaluation of how I like red dots that model would be excellent.

ViKing - Thanks for the Holosun feedback.  I have a good friend who likes them as well as they represent a great feature set + value per $ spent.

DonC - Good info about the Williams peep sight.  I'm still on the fence with a red dot for my airguns vs a scope with an illuminated reticle.  I'm going to have to marinate a bit on all this good info.

 

Joe


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Mike_Lenardon
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2019-07-27 16:58:55  

I built a .22 pumper for my daughter. Put a Tru Glo 3x red on top of it. When and if I build myself one that is what will be on top of it. Weaver/picatiny compatable cost about 65 bucks at the local sporting goods.


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awilde
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2019-07-28 07:27:45  

You may also consider the SeeAll open sights as well if you were going for rapid target acquisition. I like the cross hair reticle for my pistol and the delta triangle for rifle. They continue to work reasonably well through diminishing light and if need be have lightup options. Can pick them up cheaper used or as demo models a lot of times on eBay and Amazon too.


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ScottMn
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2019-07-28 09:13:58  

I've tried to use red dots on rifles but always seem to come back to scopes,  You can  hit what you are aiming at but you can't see where because of the lack of magnification  I do a fair amount of target shooting and having to use a spotting scope to see my hits is a PIA.  For me, about the only gained is sme size and weight.

On  pistol though,  I really like them. A dot will shrink your groups for sure.

 

PS. No longer on the road so I thought I would add a couple of other points. Do you have any astigmatism? If you do, the dot can appear elongated or "star shaped". This will limit how fine you can aim with the dot. Do your eyes get tired? There are times when I need reading glasses at the end of the day and this also effects how I see both the dot and the target. There isn't a problem with either of these with a 2-7 or 3-9 scope. Even the illuminated reticles are OK if they are not turned up too bright for the conditions.


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2019-07-29 09:53:24  
Posted by: @jp_over

Friends,

I shoot for plinking, pests, and targets out to about 50 yards and am considering a red dot optic.  Perhaps the Trijicon RMR or an Aimpoint T1 micro.

For those who have used red dots with your airgun, do you have any observations (pros and cons)? 

Thus far, I've only used 3-9 and 4-16 scopes with no illumination but want the extra visibility of an illuminated reticle for low light and the simplicity of the red dot for fast target acquisition.

Here are some product links:

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?mid=Adjustable%20LED

https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-micro-t-1/

Thanks!

Try the Barska:

https://www.barska.com/1x20mm-red-green-dot-scope-dual-mount.html  

Mount it as FAR FORWARD as you canon your rail. This will reduce the parallax problems (yes, most red dots in the affordable range)  DO HAVE parallax.

USE BOTH EYES OPEN!

If you REALLY like the concept and it works for you, then you can spend with some degree of confidence.

It is not common to find dots of 2 MOA. MOST red dots are made for quick and short range work you will find most red dots to be between 3.5 and 5 MOA's

I used a Red dot, back in 2000 when I re-started hunting with airguns, back then there were no REAL scopes that would take the springer recoil.

 

HTH

 

 

 

 

HM

 

 


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Pzhills
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2019-07-29 18:40:24  

Red dots are ok for up to about 20 yards.  I've had all kinds of scopes and dot sights.  Give me magnification anytime.  Personally, I would find a good quality mildot scope with a magnification range of 6-24.  There are some out there with illuminated reticles too.


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Bob in WV
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2019-07-30 08:25:32  

Nobody has mentioned the Bushnell Trophy red dot.  I used to shoot that 5 meter postal match with a Twinmaster pistol and a Trophy dot.  Mine had 4 reticles and two colors and I really liked it.  I have a few Ultra Dots too and they are very well built dot scopes.

Bob in WV


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Prairie Farmer
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2019-07-30 18:23:42  

I have not shot any on pellet platforms, but my 2 favorites are shown below, with a nod going towards the vortex razor.  Turning down the brightness makes them look more finite.  I shoot plates at 50 yds with 1" groups roughly with ease with these dots.

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Prairie Farmer 

 

Everybody gotta die sometime Red.


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Joe
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2019-08-03 15:18:49  
Posted by: @scottmn

I've tried to use red dots on rifles but always seem to come back to scopes,  You can  hit what you are aiming at but you can't see where because of the lack of magnification  I do a fair amount of target shooting and having to use a spotting scope to see my hits is a PIA.  For me, about the only gained is sme size and weight.

On  pistol though,  I really like them. A dot will shrink your groups for sure.

 

PS. No longer on the road so I thought I would add a couple of other points. Do you have any astigmatism? If you do, the dot can appear elongated or "star shaped". This will limit how fine you can aim with the dot. Do your eyes get tired? There are times when I need reading glasses at the end of the day and this also effects how I see both the dot and the target. There isn't a problem with either of these with a 2-7 or 3-9 scope. Even the illuminated reticles are OK if they are not turned up too bright for the conditions.

Friends, 

I appreciate all the feedback and advice (especially the great pics from Prairie Farmer).  

I think scottmn's post above is relevant and I need to be realistic about my eyesight for my pest and hunting air rifles.

For my next plinking only rig, I'm likely going to try one of the red dots mentioned.  However, for my dedicated pest and hunting guns, I'm going to try a reticle like one of the below from Night Force.  This way, I should be able to get all the benefits of a red dot and still have the flexibility and precision of a scope.  As pictured from https://nightforceoptics.com/reticles

IIlluminated IHR and Force Plex reticles

IHR Illum
FP, Illum

 

Joe


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dcw
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2019-08-10 17:22:07  

the smaller the MOA on a red dot...the higher the $$$$.

I use a Vortex red/green dot on my AF Talondor and it works great within 60 yards (it has a 2x magnifier, though...but may be operated without it.)


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