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pepncas
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2019-07-08 08:35:03  

I’m still going back n forth on my next airgun kinda split between a nice springer( which the only one I own is a qb57) or a pcp pistol. So was wondering opinions on best springer for 250ish ? Thanks in advance 


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pepncas
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2019-07-08 08:48:13  

Looking at the Diana 34 or the airmax target pistol . Decisions decisions 


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2019-07-08 11:41:23  

Depends on what you are going to use it for?  

I’d say you can’t go wrong with Hw30s or R7 for short/medium range all day plinking or Diana 34/R9 for medium/longer range shooting. The great thing is you can go open sight (except R7), save scope money and have a lot of fun. 

So the reason I recommend  these classics is they are plentiful. Finding a really nice one used should be easy and super affordable. Used to be many bought Chinese clones because of price.  With the falling price of springers the real deal has never been cheaper and frankly it makes no sense to buy a clone at all.

They are classics yet modern with lots of tune kits available if needed.  Or best bet is buy one already tuned because you will pay pennies on the dollar.

I believe that every Airgunner should own or have owned these in their lifetime. 


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JiminPGH
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2019-07-08 16:28:28  

You can't go wrong with a Diana 34. Proven design, lots of aftermarket parts available if you want to go down that particular rabbit hole, but out of the box, it's pretty much a do-all spring rifle. If I had to go down to just one air rifle, my .177 D34N would be the keeper. Easy to maintain, and happens to shoot best with cheap Walmart CPHP pellets.


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Jim in SWMO
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2019-07-08 16:32:16  

Agree with Larspawn as far as the springers go. I have 3 of the 4 he mentioned (don't have an R7) and like them all. All are accurate. But the little HW30S is a joy to shoot and so easy to cock that it won't wear you out shooting it. It's light, accurate, has a great trigger, and has enough power for close range pesting. (FWIW, the current manufacture R7 does come with open sights. But for a time it was sold as a scope only gun.) And as mentioned, a used 34 or HW30S/R7 would probably fit into your budget. But finding a used HW95/R9 in decent shape that fits your budget may be pushing it some.

Don't know squat about PCPs so can't help you with the PCP pistol.

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pepncas
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2019-07-08 18:21:51  

Thanks y’all! 


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ekmeister
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2019-07-08 18:42:20  
Posted by: pepncas

I’m still going back n forth on my next airgun kinda split between a nice springer( which the only one I own is a qb57) or a pcp pistol. So was wondering opinions on best springer for 250ish ? Thanks in advance 

The 34 fits your price range.  Add a Maccari/ARH "GRT" spring for much more dependability and a smoother shot cycle (the improved smoothness not only feels better, but helps accuracy).  The OEM spring they use is a little harsh in the rifle, and sometimes it breaks earlier than the ARH spring, too.  The GRT spring is good for thousands and thousands of shots.

I have the Panther version with a synthetic black stock, and I like it a lot.  Others prefer wood, but both of them are good and about the same price.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=rws+34&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

The wooden stock rifles come with the improved T06 trigger unit, while from what I'm reading (and not reading) in the description, I think the Panthers currently in-stock may still coming with the previous version, the T05 trigger.  The latter trigger is still pretty-decent if you adjust it per the instructions that come with the rifle.  But, if you add a first-stage adjustment screw to the trigger blade they become excellent.  It's a fairly-easy modification, and if you don't want to do it yourself, I feel certain that someone would do that modification or your trigger blade for a very-small cost.   FWIW, if you run out of options, I know how to do it.

To date, I've always preferred NOT to buy the combo, and choose my own, better scope for the price difference.  But, I haven't looked at the combo scopes lately, so maybe they've improved them.  I think you may need to do some research if you absolutely have to have a combo.

Last, I prefer a .22 caliber version for the slightly-extra knock-down power, but that's exactly what it is--personal preference.

HTH.

Safe and Happy Shooting!

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Tim Ward
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2019-07-11 20:52:24  

Air Guns Of Arizona has the Diana 430L for $229+shipping. Like mine a lot so far.

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2019-07-11 21:22:39  

The CZ line in particular was quite a value, if the 634 model is still around?

What I really want to know is, what have you done with that little QB57 (haven't seen one mentioned hereabouts in a long time)?

I have been through a couple of them and kinda liked 'em, especially back when they were $56. They were easy and fun to learn on, and made decent little shooters if you took a little time and moly. I wouldn't call what I did "tuning" but my .22 ended up at 550 fps and respectable groups, for a two-digit acquisition. It is literally covered in dust but I know what it can do.

Not the springer you would take to the dance, but one you might come home to if you struck out elsewhere. So ugly, they're cute.


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rpryor
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2019-07-12 06:41:45  

Speaking from my experience, I would buy that Russ Best tuned R9 on the classified for $325 and take pleasure in the world of difference in quality you will enjoy for years to come. For the record, I've had a couple 34s and the R9 tuned by Russ is a steal at that price.


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2019-07-12 07:18:01  
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Speaking from my experience, I would buy that Russ Best tuned R9 on the classified for $325 and take pleasure in the world of difference in quality you will enjoy for years to come. For the record, I've had a couple 34s and the R9 tuned by Russ is a steal at that price.

2nd.   I cant believe it's still there at that price.  

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Tim Ward
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2019-07-12 17:24:15  

I just meant the 430 as an option. A 34 would be hard to beat in your price range.

Couple of you mentioned the QB57. I have two, the newer one I have both barrels. One with a scout scope the other a regular scope and both with AR type flip up iron sights mounted 45 degrees to the side, steel muzzle weight on both.

The other I've had a long time with a .22 barrel lock-tited on. I sold my original 57 to a bud dying for it with the .177 barrel so I had a .22 brl. left over. I bought all the parts to build a gun for the brl. from Archer back when he had all that stuff. Cost more than a new gun with barrel. But it's a hobby, right. Now the stock and foreshock are varnished blue, steel muzzle brake, scout scope and a red dot sight mounted 45 degrees to the side. Fun stuff. Had to share. Later.

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josh3rd
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2019-07-12 20:03:00  

daveshoot has it right, those lil springers are accurate.  a while back a member on here, i think, did a bunch of posts called, don't quote me, cheap springers and showed their accuracy.  or go this route:

https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw50-s.html

https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw30-s.html

 


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DavidEnoch
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2019-07-13 11:18:33  

I recommend finding an original BSA Supersport.  I prefer it to both the R9 and RWS34.

David Enoch


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2019-07-13 20:42:03  
Posted by: @davidenoch

I recommend finding an original BSA Supersport.  I prefer it to both the R9 and RWS34.

David Enoch

Oh,  someone always has to be different. Just kidding LOL. I hear they're really nice rifles too, I've just never had a chance to shoot one.

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ribbonstone
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2019-07-14 00:01:50  

HAve not bought a lot of springers over the last years (OK...like a decade)...but two that hqve stood out avove the rest foir the $,have been the RWS 34 (now in it;s 4th or 5th generation) and the CZ 634 (which is sadly been discontiuned).

So that may seem to leave the RWS 34 in the top-spot. Like a nickel under $250...and not a bad choice in .177...mine is a 1993 version,and still shooting well.....although reather plain,have gotten a bit more sofisticated over the last 16 years.

I cannot swear that thr T-6 trigger is any better than the original trigger (which I guess we'll call the T-1),but ith the other cahnges over the years they also needed to change the trigget. CAn say that the T-6 (cuttent) trigger is every bit as good as the T-1 trigger,and a bit ahead of those in between (although I I have not tried all 6 varations).

But...I go like cheap springers...have a good number of post under that general heading.

And I am NOT SURE that you really need to sped $250 to get great springer accuracy,....might be able to do that for less money.

Tell you what...as I have a history of liking/using/p[ostong aboutn "cheap springers"...the old RWS 34 is about due for retirement (or a full rebuild)...so I ordered a $108 BSA .177 SuperSport (although I'd have prefedred to have ordered it from an airgun only site, the rifle popped up on Amazon.

 

Hit the "buy button" and will see what=is=what...although I'ver been very happy with a .25 BSA Lightening (a more expensive/pretty springer than the super-sport, but maybe not any "better").

We'll see how well it does in comparasion to the other springers in the safe(s) after I've gotten re-re-re-educated (though practice) in the breed (been shooting too much PCP recently).

Am pretty sure it will have one "glitch" or another tat needs attention, but do not expect it will have anything wrong with it I can't easily cure (if it does shoot like un-redeemable "carp", it goes back ASAP).


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Tim Ward
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2019-07-14 07:20:59  

I got the BSA Super Sport SE springer .177 off amazon a while back. Seems I paid  about the same, $100-120, then it went back up tp $285  . The sights were broke but I had planed to take them off anyway. A friend installed a GRT trigger in it for me. His comment was classic Gamo trigger. Nice gun, shoots pretty good. Haven't shot it enough to say more. 

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ribbonstone
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2019-07-14 08:29:12  

Didn't have any real trouble getting a Lightening's trigger in line and shooting quite well...but if the Super Sport proves to be a problem, I'll let ya'll know.

 

Springers tend to hard lives around here...not so much from shooting, just the rough use they get put to...so I tend to inexpensive ones knowing they're going to get some dents/scratches,etc.  The Lightening actually was an exception, was a bit too pretty...so didn't get out as much as the others. 


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EMrider
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2019-07-15 08:23:09  

Last I checked, you could get a new hw50 delivered from Krale for about $270-$280.  IMHO that is the best springer value in this price range.

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Skillet
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2019-07-16 16:59:48  

Bought an XS-25 w/full tune from FD in .22.

Cost was $225 and a great-shooting hard-hitting gun it turned out to be. Excellent trigger, stacks Superdomes, they clock 710 fps

I believe one would run abt $240 now. In ur price range and a very good bargain.


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2019-07-18 09:36:07  

No brainer:  Diana 34 in .22.  Done.  Might go just beyond your budget from some sites.

Also look at my BSA Meteor in the classifieds.  Price negotiable.

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2019-07-23 11:20:19  

 

New guy here, so I am no expert.

But I have owned an RWS 34 in .22 since the elder Bush was president. It's stamped made in West Germany. That thing is thirty years old, has thousands of rounds through it and will kill a tree rat at 40 yards with cheap, Cphp pellets. It likes them better than more expensive options like crow magnums. Zero hassles and no maintenance other than shooting the occasional cleaning pellet. Mine has a one piece RWS scope mount and a Bushnell scope. My only complaint is that it's loud. But it is an unbreakable small game/plinker. The number of rats, pigeons, squirrels that this has taken cleanly is large. You really can't beat it for duarability.

 


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ribbonstone
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2019-07-24 21:28:41  

Just going to bring you through my system for a "cheap springer"...even though you are being directed to ($250 and above) springers that, while nice, aren't exactly "cheaP".

Made good on my last post...got that $107 springer and have been playing with it for a few days (less than a week anyway).
And DARNED if Amazon hasn't dumped that pice and upped the .177 BSA Supersport SE to over $250 as I type this...promise you, it was $107 last week.


Really,,,it's a GAMO..even though it is stocked and stamped BSA, that trigger is unmistakable.

Think all of my previous cheap-springer-posts are archived on the old yellow forum....so this will seem out out the blue.

But I had a break-in / testing system for cheap springers,and still do, which (if you work fast enough) would allow you to send it backun-modded if unhappy.

#1-#5...you can do without ANY mods, which means you can pack it back up and return it if it disappoints you. You've done no mods, and unless you dropped it or whacked against a post,it should be in new condition.

1. Clean it, make sure there are no obvious defects, and the stock screws are tight. Most have a think coating of something kind of sticky, which is a preservative that should at least be cleaned from the barrel.
2. Live fire shooting for 150-200 shots. Ifg it came with iron sights, use them. If not, mount a scope. BUt stay away from anything serious (like paper targets.). Just plink pine cones/leaves,mushrooms, whatever....want to get it to break in, stop dieseling,and eventually smooth out.
3.Clean the bore every 50-70 shots and check the screws (and keep track if any particular screw wants to come loose) ..it's likely dieseling by 50-100 shots or coughing up excess lube (airgun snot)...although it might be squeaking/honking as you cock it if it is dead-dry...but keep aqt it for 150-200 shots.

4. After 150-200 ashots, try it on paper (I only had 23 yards in the rain to play with....but anything from 15-25 would be enough to see what's what). ARE LOOKING FOR any pellet that shows the ability to cluster into something like a group (Ande are likely to find several that the rifle hates).

5. OK..found a pellet that wants to cluster....but we have to find HOW AND WHERE the springer wants to be held...so you try various strengths of holding. Kind of makes sense for a right handed shooter...the harder I hold, the more right and up the rifle shoots (consider it pivots on my right shoulder...so it's going to swing away from the pivot point).
Also pretty well ignored WHERE the pellets clustered...figure I'd deal with that later.... that's why scopes have those "clicky knobs" on them.

(Found surprising good "winner" with the lightest possible hold (really a no-hold) and a "passing" grade on the light hold).

DECISION TIME...have done nothing to the rifle...it's unmodded/unmolested (unless you beat it up/dropped it/etc/) so it's fair to send it back if unhappy.

If it shows potential...then keep it and mod it as needed.

IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MATCH RIFLE ACCURACY...are really going to have to buy a match rifle.

Am keeping this one...so am free to do some mods that I wouldn't do if I intended sending it back (which is an option up to this point).

A. Am pretty immune to poor triggers. Have learned how to deal with them,and everything above was with the pretty poor out-the-box trigger.

BUT...I've never had a better trigger make accuracy worse (except in winter with cold numbed fingers and super light triggers)....so will look into Gamo type trigger mods.

B. Found during the break in, that one screw (the front/left stock screw ) kept coming loose. If all the screws loosened, I'd blame vibration. If just one screw wants to come loose,I'm blaming bedding (which is kind of a vibration focus). So I'm going to work on the bedding.


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2019-07-26 01:01:58  
Posted by: @daveshoot

The CZ line in particular was quite a value, if the 634 model is still around?

What I really want to know is, what have you done with that little QB57 (haven't seen one mentioned hereabouts in a long time)?

I have been through a couple of them and kinda liked 'em, especially back when they were $56. They were easy and fun to learn on, and made decent little shooters if you took a little time and moly. I wouldn't call what I did "tuning" but my .22 ended up at 550 fps and respectable groups, for a two-digit acquisition. It is literally covered in dust but I know what it can do.

Not the springer you would take to the dance, but one you might come home to if you struck out elsewhere. So ugly, they're cute.

I agree on the Slavia CZ 634. Despite the horrendous synthetic stocks on later versions, dollar-for-dollar the best shooter I've ever had accuracy wise. Although not a springer, Roy's Mountain Air Airguns' Crosman 1750 edges slightly ahead.  


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Johnny366
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2019-07-26 02:27:08  

Get an RWS 34 and I bet you will be satisfied. I have one in .177 and two in .22 and they are all scoped. Shoot very accurately and enough power to hunt with.


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ribbonstone
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2019-07-26 16:48:31  

Realize it really isn't fair to mention rifles that are out of stock/discontinued/ or have had a good bit of work done to them as a "good buy" for a guy who may not be great as scrounging up out-of-production (or made, but not imported) rifles or ones that basically got tuned/rebuilt.

Still...the RWS 34 has always been "standard" for moderately priced springers....and still seems to deserve it.

Fair warning, the more powerful the springer, the harder/more work to get to where you really can shoot it well. The moderate speed springers are usually easier/faster.

NEW...sold far and wide (so you can hunt up a good price)...still the RWS 34 stands out as a good choice. Power for those who need it....trigger is nicely adjustable...and it's been around for a whole lot of years (although in like 6 mechanical variations) for "forever"(we'll consider "airgun-forever" to be about 30 years).

Addendum to my previous post:

Did work the bugs out of the BSA shown a few posts up from here (which I did catch on sale for $107...but I'd NOT have bought at $250).

But not enough accuracy difference for me to really pick one as all that much better than the other.

The old RWS 34 has lost some speed over the years...but that's not really important so long as it shoots well. I'll worry about a rebuild once it either gets considerably slower OR once it starts stringing shots up and down from velocity variations.

BUY the RWS 34...with normal care, chances are you'll still be using it in 2039.


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2019-07-26 18:58:06  

The cz 634 in all its plastic glory is still - by far-- the best "cheap "air rifle ever...……… Get one if it becomes available...'; Don't think you'll ever be disappointed it in...………..

 


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2019-07-26 19:05:47  

@lefeyelu

Check this out... http://www.balistas.com


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2019-07-27 01:04:50  
Posted by: @lefeyelu

The cz 634 in all its plastic glory is still - by far-- the best "cheap "air rifle ever...……… Get one if it becomes available...'; Don't think you'll ever be disappointed it in...………..

 

I've sniffed around but can't find anybody who still sells them. Any leads?


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Tim Ward
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2019-07-28 09:40:23  

@ribbonstone

Like I said before I bought one of those amazon BSA SS SE .177 springer for a $100 something. Only thing I've done to it is had a bud install a GRT trigger. It's a keeper. Pretty gun. Took the sights off and scoped it. Thinking about sliding one of those round rubber vibration dampers on it to see what happens.

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